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Re:Why Billionaires Don't Pay Property Taxes in New York by cddotdotslash on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @09:02PM (#9536065)
Every single time rent in NYC or San Francisco is brought up, everyone makes comments like "I only pay $500 a month for my ten-bedroom house in Kansas!" And the reason that rent in NYC is higher than rent in Kansas or Pittsburgh, etc. is simply because more people want to live there. It's simple supply and demand.
Re:Why Billionaires Don't Pay Property Taxes in New York by LordKano on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @12:27AM (#9536764)
It's more than simple supply and demand. It's artificially low supply and increased demand.

Sweetheart deals for luxury housing and rent controlled housing mean that developers are going to put more time, energy and money into bringing upper income housing into NYC while the middle and lower income people are left with fewer options.

Because of the geography and municipal structure of the area, middle and upper-middle income housing is doing quite well here.

Re:Why Billionaires Don't Pay Property Taxes in New York by sukilot on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @10:54AM (#9539346)
NYC has the highest pop density of just about any city in the world. It has extremely high demand, due to its celebrity status making it a magnet for the whole world.
Re:Why Billionaires Don't Pay Property Taxes in New York by LordKano on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @12:34PM (#9540148)
That high demand coupled with artificially low supply has led to exorbitant pricing in the NYC housing market.

Just because we can explain why it happens doesn't make those prices any less exorbitant.

Pricing is exorbitant in other facets of life in NYC as well but that is a separate discussion.

Re:Why Billionaires Don't Pay Property Taxes in New York by rtpg on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @01:02AM (#9536846)
well it's restricted supply, especially in SF. If more high-rise apartments were built in downtown SF (and there's demand, but just too much pushback from local officials), this debate would probably not be happening at all.

It's not like SF is crowded, it's just that we've built really bad buildings for holding a lot of people.

Re:Why Billionaires Don't Pay Property Taxes in New York by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @01:04AM (#9536850)
I don't know. In every built up city I've been to, I live in one now (on the 16th floor of a 30 story apartment)...with high density, the prices just seem to go up and up with the high rises.

Can you point out a city that built up and is affordable (with a good economy also)?

Re:Why Billionaires Don't Pay Property Taxes in New York by akgerber on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @02:37AM (#9537187)
Chicago.

Here is a random 10-year old condo for $255k: http://www.trulia.com/property/3201711637-222-N-Columbus-Dr-...

Here is an older, further-out one for less than half that: http://www.trulia.com/property/3193730688-3950-N-Lake-Shore-... (still in a decent neighborhood and near a 24-hour rapid transit line)

Here is a large 3-bedroom for $485,000: http://www.trulia.com/property/3197384352-212-W-Washington-S...

Here is a large 3-bedroom, futher out, for $450k in a newly-built brick walkup: http://www.trulia.com/property/3027918821-2550-W-Logan-Blvd-...

There are a lot of variations on similar themes.

Chicago's economy isn't San Francisco's, or New York's, and it doesn't have many exciting software jobs or world-class outdoor recreation. But it is still a big city with big-city opportunities and many well-paying jobs. And it clearly demonstrates that a sufficient housing stock guarantees no building type, even skyscrapers, are inherently tied to high prices. Just as San Francisco's predicament demonstrates that keeping old buildings in place doesn't hold down prices.

Re:Why Billionaires Don't Pay Property Taxes in New York by sukilot on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @10:55AM (#9539355)
Yes , slightly less desirable cities have slightly lower prices.
Re:Why Billionaires Don't Pay Property Taxes in New York by rtpg on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @02:33AM (#9537168)
Tokyo is pretty reasonable. A 1-person apartment is under $1k/month no matter where in the city you are, you can get something student-sized for $600 a month. Not $3k/month for sure.

From personal experience, at least, supply is _not_ an issue in Tokyo. You can go to a real estate agent and go see like 4 or 5 places in a day and take it almost immediately.

This is compared to (second hand stories) of apartments in Paris where you have 10 people show up to look at 1 apartment and it's a crapshoot whether you can get it.

Re:Why Billionaires Don't Pay Property Taxes in New York by ild on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @02:32AM (#9537164)
Chicago. Still affordable outside of the most popular areas.