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Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by edem on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:25AM (#9524501)
I think that for some time now Google's services are mostly crap. For example when I upgraded KitKat to Lollipop they fucked up my calendar. No month view? Seriously?

Plus it always vibrates since silent mode is gone. I found this out the hard way. My phone is always in silent mode and after the upgrade one day it just vibrated off the desk and the display broke. I should sue Google for this.

Anyway back to your issue with picture downloads: I had the same problem and after 20 minues of searching I managed to find where can I download my FUCKING pictures:

- go to Google Drive

- Click "Apps"

- Click "More"

- Click "Photos"

- Click "All photos"

And here comes the tricky part:

- At the top left corner hold your left mouse button and drag a box around all your photos

- Unselect the ones you dont't want to download

- Click "More"

- Click "Download"

That's it just 9 easy steps.......no comment

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by cliveowen on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:57AM (#9524728)
Lollipop is just a bad, bad update. Tap the square button and close two apps at the same time. If you did everything right, now your phone says that Android UI failed. This has been going on since day one. Day one. Which was sometime in November.

Their Hangouts app sucks. I don't know how people in the U.S. use it, but here people use it only for SMS, and they crammed everything in that so it's hard to do the main function. But not to worry, they made Messenger too. So, if you're a sane person, you disable Hangouts, install Messenger and all is good, right? Of course not. Because since the 5.1 update, every few minutes you get a nice message that says "Hangouts has stopped unexpectedly". You know, the app that you supposedly disabled because you have no use for. So you enable it again, and the message goes away, and the app just stands there, unused, taking up space and memory. And by the way, why do they feel the need to make two or three different apps for doing the same thing? Photos and Gallery? Why not. What about Email, Gmail and Inbox? Sure, my app drawer was a bit too empty anyway...

There's so much more that could be said about Google "products" (I hate this word) and their problems, but my blood pressure is already acting up, so I better leave it for another day.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by joesmo on Monday May 11, 2015 @11:35AM (#9525501)
Bad is an understatement. Problems with Lollipop I've experienced so far:

* Calls don't work. Had to reinstall OS a couple of times. Known Google bug that they refuse to fix on their own Nexus 4 phone. Bug also exists in Android 4.x. Yay!

* Contacts didn't show names. Had to reinstall OS.

* Bluetooth skips, sometimes fails to connect, and after disconnecting, always reconnects with no sound (though the song metadata is transmitted) - no solution that i've found so far

* Calls and texts sometimes do not alert, even when not in the quiet period - no solution / unable to replicate

* For a long time google apps just crashed, but I was able to finally solve that after reinstalling the OS and google apps a few dozen times

* Hangouts will not let you delete more than one conversation at a time

* No silent mode (speaks a lot to the idiocy of Google's product team)

* The new maps interface is incredibly slow and unusable at times (the article gets this one spot on), especially without a very fast connection (not limited to Android of course--the new slow, downgraded experience is available on all platforms from Google)

I'm pretty certain I won't buy any more Google hardware due to their lack of support (which seems to span all of their product divisions) and likely will avoid Android in general if at all possible. It's ironic because the Nexus 4 hardware seems to be quite excellent and well built--I haven't been able to break the phone yet even when intentionally smashing it into the ground as hard as I could multiple times because of the above (the bumper helps a lot, I think). The only reason I haven't made the switch yet is that a $649 starting price (really closer to $800 for a decent model after tax) for an iPhone is simply atrocious for a phone and worse than the horrific problems described above. For now ...

EDIT: Added newlines.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by ethbro on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:45AM (#9525111)
> Because since the 5.1 update, every few minutes you get a nice message that says "Hangouts has stopped unexpectedly". You know, the app that you supposedly disabled because you have no use for. So you enable it again, and the message goes away, and the app just stands there, unused, taking up space and memory.

The only thing that makes Android usable in a sane way for me is custom ROMs and Titanium Backup's app freezing.

To continue the parent link's sentiments, it's like someone built an operating system at a company that employed such talented people that no one wanted to work on usability minutia. (Note: design is NOT usability)

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by tdkl on Monday May 11, 2015 @01:59PM (#9526582)
Speaking of Lollipop, this bug has been at the top of /r/android today :

https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=165558

Mind you this was the case since the L preview that came in July 2014.

Type-Defect Priority-Small

I'm glad Google is all about fixing it.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by grkvlt on Monday May 11, 2015 @12:19PM (#9525844)
Am I just desensetized to quality or, do I put up with a lot more issues than I should, or do I not have the same high standards as everyone else? As far as I can tell, Lollipop (aka Android 5.0) works brilliantly, and everyone thatI recall speaking to who has it is also similarly pleased. To call it a failure seems to be vastly overstating the viewpoints of a minority of customers. My Sony Z3 Compact and LG G Watch R work great, and that seems to be the general experience of other with modern devices. I get that it's fun to hate and rage, but this seems nitpicky - nothing is perfect, and Googla has great track record for pushing bugfixes and updates for Android and Chrome. #satisfied
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by TeMPOraL on Monday May 11, 2015 @12:51PM (#9526099)
> Am I just desensetized to quality or, do I put up with a lot more issues than I should, or do I not have the same high standards as everyone else?

Hard to say. My best guess is that you put up with a lot more issues than you should. The mobile is so utterly broken that we all have to get used to it to stay sane.

But from my personal experience, and I'm not saying that it applies to you personally, I've noticed that many people just don't give a fuck about the looks. Go and look at how majority of people write letters, or even how they write on the Internet. The amount of typos and overall lack of style is so big that 60 years ago a typical reader would get a heart attack.

Looking at the world as it is today, I start to feel that it's me who has insanely high standards because I want things to look and feel nice, not just barely work.

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Oh, and about Lollipop - I've seen so many cases where something utterly broken on my device worked fine on everyone elses and reverse, that I learned to appreciate that things just really don't work the same even on the same brand of hardware. It's entirely possible that you and your friends have a good experience while for some reason, GPs device-software combination is broken. Hell, I personally never had any issues with Windows Vista, and almost no one believes me it's possible.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by GFischer on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @08:22AM (#9538367)
The Sony Z3 Compact is a VERY powerful device, and also pretty expensive (U$ 400 or so). On slightly older or less powerful devices, Lollipop is INCREDIBLY bad.

It's so bad I'm recommending a switch to Windows for users that haven't bought into the ecosystem too much - basically U$ 100 Windows/Nokia phones outperform U$ 100 Android phones by a huge margin, so are a better buy for casual users, plus Microsoft is subsidizing phones over here.

My Google Nexus 7 tablet was unusable with the Lollipop update. My LG G3 Mini also performs extremely badly. OTOH my iPad 1st generation is still going strong (though I've seen iPhones go bricky with iOS updates).

Edit: note that I had badmouthed Windows phones previously after an incredibly frustrating experience with older Nokia phones.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8698802

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by cillian64 on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:30AM (#9524996)
I can't replicate your "Android UI failed" problem on a Nexus 5 running Android 5.1
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by eanplatter on Monday May 11, 2015 @11:04AM (#9525277)
me neither, but a bug I've only seen on my Nexus 5 is that my timestamps on recent hangouts messages say "now" for hours. This is a problem if I mix hangouts and SMS because SMS runs on a normal timestamp, so essentially all of my texts appear above my hangouts. For a while it just seemed like my texts weren't actually coming in at all.
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by wyattshacker on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:03PM (#9528910)
On my Note 4, I get the same (possibly related) date/time issues manifesting in Google Maps; "Driving distance 37 miles. Drive time estimated 72 hours" :)
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by genericone on Monday May 11, 2015 @02:19PM (#9526724)
Is your timezone or date-time set differently than your current location?
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by ebbv on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:28AM (#9524524)
Yep. For me Google+ was the turning point. It started before that, but if you drew a line graph of Quality of Products for Google I think you'd see the Google+ rollout event on that line without it being pointed out.

I don't work there, and never have, so I have no idea what the cause is. My guess is just the fact that the company has grown so much that maintaining the quality of people and thus products that they put out is impossible beyond a certain size.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by edem on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:32AM (#9524545)
Google products used to be simple and usable. Now they are all fucked up. Seems like that their QA department went on a permanent vacation.

I have actually written to them about my issues and I'm waiting for a response ever since.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by gchokov on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:32AM (#9525017)
Good luck with the waiting. Notoriously bad at customer support as well.
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by wyattshacker on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:07PM (#9528927)
Interestingly, as the breadth and complexity of Google product grows, the need for true customer service grows, disproportionately. Very few of us needed "customer support" for Google Search, but for many of their newer, more complex products, it's a must. Google either missed this need altogether, or they decided that even with crappy/no CS, they could still make a killing with half-assed products/support. Thoughts?
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by gchokov on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @07:02AM (#9530797)
I think you are right - and for me having bad customer support is a miss. If the customer support "costs" why don't include that cost in the products price? Bad customer support @ Google has turned me away from their Google Docs. Customer support is also needed when the UI is not self-explanatory like Google's very often.

They have Google Apps for the Enterprise, but very often you can't reach the Enterprise without the proper support, product documentation and service. From the other hand, I got very positive experience with Microsoft support which proves that "Customer support at scale" is possible.

Thank you for the comment!

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by dman on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:34AM (#9525030)
The place which is hilariously broken is that on the Google play store, I cant give star ratings to movies / music that I like to get a more customized experience because doing so requires you to publicly disclose on Google+ that you liked / disliked that movie/song.
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by obsurveyor on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:48AM (#9525128)
You can make your Likes private on Google Plus.
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by blfr on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:33AM (#9524553)
Google Photos is a very recent addition to Google Drive[1]. I'm not sure the change even rolled out to everyone yet and still not all my photos have been migrated. They used to be only availble through the bizarre web interface within Google+ that OP described.

Despite that, I quite like Google's apps (and Google Apps). The month view in Calendar is back. The upgrade to Lollipop went smoothly for me and was a significant improvement. Some of them seem effectively abandoned (Blogger) but ones that aren't (Drive) are top notch: fast, attractive, full-featured, and with excellent integration between web and mobile.

[1] http://googledrive.blogspot.com/2015/03/photosindrive.html

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by greghendershott on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:55AM (#9525179)
I agree the not-yet-abandoned Google apps can be quite superb.

Provided you run them using the proprietary {AOL,Prodigy,CompuServe,MSN} client app.

a.k.a. Chrome.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by bontoJR on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:32AM (#9524548)
> I think that for some time now Google's services are mostly crap.

It seems a common feeling that is spreading during the last year... Already discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9074704

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by edem on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:37AM (#9524578)
What I _can't_ understand is why does Google rave all day about "material design" and such when they have dog crap all over their own doorstep?
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by _lce0 on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:56AM (#9524718)
Can't understand why everything in lollipop is so white and bright, complely degraded the UX. Android was dark-ish from the start.. now all apps are following the same trend, which will only worsen the situation

If I could, I would downgrade to 4.x ..

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by TeMPOraL on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:06AM (#9524800)
It's funny how this turn to all-white came along just as screens that use less power the more black colour is displayed became popular...
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by endymi0n on Monday May 11, 2015 @04:34PM (#9527664)
Don't even get me started... Just wanted to add a user to my Google Apps domain. Couldn't for the love of god find the button. One minute passed. Tried CMD+F, nothing. Asked my colleague, Google Fanboy. Turned out that button was the only one completely hidden out of sight in the very lower right corner of my 27" cinema display and camouflaged in candy green, in stark contrast to the rest of the serious looking and actually usable interface because "material design" and "mobile first". Fuck that, it's just blatantly stupid and annoying UX. WTF?
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by bontoJR on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:08AM (#9524813)
Me too.

I think Google is taking a lot of wrong decisions in terms of strategy. I really liked Material Design and how they tackled the UI discrepancies in their products, but on the Android world this is just a mess. If you want it, you need Lollipop that is just the 5% of the Android world. Can a developer ignore the 95% of the Google Play store? NO.

Then they ported Google Apps, it was nice, but Google Apps wasn't requiring a real re-style, but a better integration with apps and with their services too. Nope, we got a new UI.

It looks like they are prioritizing things that people are not caring now, at least, not so much compared to other things...

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by slowmotiony on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:58AM (#9524733)
They could never get design right. First it was complete shit because they didn't care, then they copied Microsoft's metro and called it Holo, then they came up with Cards UI and now they have Material. Not one of these was properly implemented in their own apps, which should tell you a lot about their inner workings.
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by collyw on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:49AM (#9525134)
You obviously don't remember when search engines had a thousand options and buttons and links everywhere.
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by slowmotiony on Monday May 11, 2015 @11:51AM (#9525599)
I remember AltaVista :)
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by 300bps on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:35AM (#9524571)
I think that for some time now Google's services are mostly crap.

Few people are willing to pay for quality web services which leads us on this cyclical path of new more friendly services coming out followed by monetization or shutdown of said services. These changes never benefit the users (i.e. product) of the services.

I think an example of this outside of Google is imgur.com. It started out as an extremely lightweight image sharing site for social networks. It's now morphed into an incredibly featured social network of its own.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by fullwedgewhale on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:32AM (#9525020)
Google puts out free or cheap services and devices because they're trying to draw users to their platform, which gathers metrics about usage. These feed into the services, but they also feed in to Google's need to be a better advertising platform. Although we think of Google as the company behind the eponymous search engine and Android phone, it's actually an advertiser. I'm not sure if it's still in the 95% range, but it's still high. I have a 7" Nexus tablet which (for the time) was a great tablet at an insanely good price. But I knew I was essentially giving up information about what I read, what I listen to, and what apps I used in exchange for the free services and discounted device.

In contrast my Apple devices aren't cheap, and there is less collection of data with the intent of selling my attention to third party advertising clients, but they are more expensive and I pay an iCloud subscription fee. For the most part the Mac software doesn't suck and works reasonably well. I don't love everything about it but it's more appealing than Picasa for photos. I do pay for extra storage on Google to back up my pictures (over 100 gigs of family photos). But I am definitely paying more Apple in a direct sense (buying computers and phones + iCloud) than to Google (Google Play and 1 device). Apple's margin on hardware is high, but they make a quality product (for the most part).

What I give Google is information about myself, my work, my family, the music I listen to, the books I read, and anything and everything I ever searched for. They're pretty open and transparent about this, and I pretty much understand what I'm turning over in exchange for their free stuff. See the Google dashboard on you. If there's an application or service hosted by Google, I pretty much understand their intent is to extract data from that service or application.

That works for most people, even though they really don't understand this exchange or think about it. Free is a powerful lure and most consumers have come to expect not to pay anything at all for software and services. That's why they download a free game and keep playing it even when they find out it sends the contents of their address book off to some weird holding company. It's also why they get suckered into free games (because 4.99 is just too expensive on an App store) and then spend multiples of that amount in in-game purchases. It's why they're willing to turn over even extremely intimate details of their life for free e-mail or messaging services.

But the incentive for Google is not to make great software or hardware because that's how they make their money. Their incentive is to roll out services which help them collect information to feed their need for information about your tastes and behaviors. If that photo app you're using doesn't really give them more information, there's no incentive to make it better. Apple has an incentive to make software good enough to support their device/computer sales. Microsoft (arguably) has an incentive to make software good enough for manufacturers to license it. Apple and Microsoft, no matter how much people love to shit on them, actually have more straight forward, simple motives. They have an actual financial incentive to care about the quality of the product they deliver because you are paying them (directly or indirectly).

tl;dr Google only makes software good enough to draw you in to collect data. Other vendors are selling yous something and therefore have an interest in making that thing better.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by amyjess on Monday May 11, 2015 @12:08PM (#9525747)
> Although we think of Google as the company behind the eponymous search engine and Android phone, it's actually an advertiser.

Don't forget about Play Store revenue. They're making money hand over fist by taking a cut of app sales, which is enough to financially justify Android. Oh, and the media sales too, which don't even require Android.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by tdkl on Monday May 11, 2015 @02:08PM (#9526636)
Beautifully well said.

When I realized all this, I switched to hosted paid email service and moved off using Google services. Last thing now was selling the Android phone and getting the alternative, where at least you get value and support for your money.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by userbinator on Monday May 11, 2015 @11:30AM (#9525471)
As with most software/hardware, the alternative is to not "upgrade" and put up with the negative comments you'll get (both from other people and websites) but if it's such a regression in functionality, should we really continue calling them "upgrades"? I feel like we've reached somewhat of a saturation point in the past few years. Meanwhile, with systems becoming more locked-down and proprietary, every new revision feels like it's incrementally taking control away from the user and replacing it with superficial beauty.

I've made the decision to stop "upgrading" anything just for the sake of being newer, and to carefully examine the not-often-prominent disadvantages too. It often turns out, at least for me, that the new stuff they added is worthless and what they removed is what I really need.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by def_illiterate on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:37AM (#9525052)
I think the last UI decision google got right was the search box on the main page.
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by TeMPOraL on Monday May 11, 2015 @11:01AM (#9525249)
Nah, GMail was good. It still is, to be honest, compared to free webmail alternatives, but it keeps downgrading itself.
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by wordbank on Monday May 11, 2015 @11:01AM (#9525254)
Gmail became so painful about two years ago. So I moved to Fastmail (wow, web UI can be THAT fast!). New Google Maps were broken for a couple of months. Google's own developer plugins like Game Services and AdMob are buggy and unintuitive.

Google products' UX is always unpolished (including Android). The last Google service that I'm using is Docs, but I hope Dropbox will make something better soon.

Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by breakingcups on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @03:57AM (#9530131)
Check out Office Online. Dropbox has integration with it now I believe. https://office.live.com/
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by jknightco on Monday May 11, 2015 @09:52AM (#9524687)
Its been a few months since I used the Android calendar app, but I'm pretty sure if you turn the device into Landscape it'll change to month view.
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by TeMPOraL on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:32AM (#9525015)
I just went and checked. Surprisingly, they added the month view to portrait and brought back the week view (who had the idea that "week" has 5 days is beyond me). If you turn your device to landscape position however, you get only the week view, with no ability to change it.
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by edem on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:08AM (#9524818)
I always never use landscape because it is not handy enough for me (I use a smartphone not a tablet). I actually turned the reorientation accessibility feature off.
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by jknightco on Monday May 11, 2015 @10:15AM (#9524871)
Yeah, its definitely an anti-feature, but at least there's the option!
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by eonw on Monday May 11, 2015 @11:50AM (#9525596)
i dont have kitkat yet, but are you serious? what good is a calendar without a month view?
Re:Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web by soylentcola on Monday May 11, 2015 @12:18PM (#9525833)
The original "new" calendar only had month view in landscape but the current one has full month view in portrait as well. Basically with the original design I assume they figured it would be too info-dense and hard to read. People complained (understandably) so they added it in an update.