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Re:The demise of America's once-mighty streetcars by scotty79 on Friday May 08, 2015 @05:00AM (#9510628)
That's the funniest thing because that's a rare example of conspiracy theory that actually happened, succeeded and shaped cultural perception of trams and public transit in general in one large country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspi...

You probably can't say that what they did was decisive as there were more factors in play but they tried in a covert way and prevented any chance of recovery.

For a dense city having a streetcar is no-brainer. Whatever you pay for planning, building and maintaining light-rail and subsidizing its operation, it will pay for itself in increase in taxes collected from business growing thanks to offloading road network from whole lot of cars, lower traffic, cleaner air and lower necessary car ownership.

All this clean electric car revolution with energy recovery, low number of moving parts and so on, that's happening now, for trams happened 50 or more years ago.

Re:The demise of America's once-mighty streetcars by yvdriess on Friday May 08, 2015 @05:25AM (#9510701)
Not to mention streetcars as a possible vehicle (no pun intended) for alternative power plants or fuel sources. Some of the arguments against alternatives for the internal combustion engine fall away if you do not have to deal with the needs that consumer cars have.

Gyro power plant for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrobus

Compressed air: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatic_motor

Re:The demise of America's once-mighty streetcars by raverbashing on Friday May 08, 2015 @05:59AM (#9510782)
> All this clean electric car revolution with energy recovery, low number of moving parts and so on, that's happening now, for trams happened 50 or more years ago.

True. But the thing is that: it sucked

You know that "lever up, tram goes, lever down it stops"? It was something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentiometer#Rheostat

Sure, mass transit is good, electrical/hybrid ones even better, but as much as I hate mechanical ICEs, the electrical ones weren't much better.

And mass transit can profit a lot from hybrid technologies

Re:The demise of America's once-mighty streetcars by txru on Friday May 08, 2015 @09:18AM (#9511489)
FWIW, the article disagrees with this reading of the conspiracy.

> While it's true that National City continued ripping up lines and replacing them with buses — and that, long-term, GM benefited from the decline of mass transit — it's very hard to argue that National City killed the streetcar on its own. Streetcar systems went bankrupt and were dismantled in virtually every metro area in the United States, and National City was only involved in about 10 percent of cases.

Re:The demise of America's once-mighty streetcars by scotty79 on Friday May 08, 2015 @01:47PM (#9513094)
Still they bought some struggling companies with intention of finishing them off, not saving them because their tech competed with their core tech. And they did it covertly.

The impact they had is probably arguable.

Still, I think that no city in the United States came up with an idea how to benefit from trams, the way European cities did, is a little bit strange.

After all that's the country that hosts biggest ball of twine in the world.