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Re:The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the p... by TeMPOraL on Thursday May 07, 2015 @10:24AM (#9505225)
I wouldn't neccessary call all of them "superhuman", their intelligence is usually not the identifying characteristic. But they're definitely alien minds, pursuing their own alien values, thinking in an alien way.
Re:The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the p... by coldtea on Thursday May 07, 2015 @11:17AM (#9505650)
>their intelligence is usually not the identifying characteristic

Intelligence in this context in the sense of a means to perpetuate their existance and get more power, not as some moral characteristic. Besides they can employ tons of Nobel prize winners (e.g. Feynman and co in the Manhatan project), and build crazily-smart stuff (for their purposes).

Re:The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the p... by TeMPOraL on Thursday May 07, 2015 @11:25AM (#9505726)
I didn't mean intelligence as moral characteristic - the observation is that many bureaucracies tend to do a lot of dumb, self-defeating things. As alien minds, they're not very smart - just smart enough to be dangerous.
Re:The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the p... by coldtea on Thursday May 07, 2015 @11:55AM (#9505953)
>the observation is that many bureaucracies tend to do a lot of dumb, self-defeating things

Isn't that true for people too, that can otherwise be extremely intelligent? From being terrible at social life, to sabotaging their careers and so on?

Re:The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the p... by TeMPOraL on Thursday May 07, 2015 @12:00PM (#9506012)
Yeah, I suppose it is.
Re:The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the p... by k__ on Thursday May 07, 2015 @10:28AM (#9505255)
Totally.

I often have the impression that super human entities just need us like we need cells.

The market can't survive without humans, but it doesn't care about a few of them dying.

Re:The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the p... by maratd on Thursday May 07, 2015 @10:50AM (#9505430)
There is no market. No corporations, no governments, nothing. It's just people.

The uncomfortable truth is that as humans, we don't really care if a few of us die off as long as we don't know them and they're not in our vicinity. Which is why markets, governments, corporations, etc. act the way they do.

Sure, if you ask a person, they'll weave a heartfelt story, etc. but the truth is in what they do, not in what they say ... and the majority of us do nothing or worse.

Re:The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the p... by TeMPOraL on Thursday May 07, 2015 @11:21AM (#9505685)
> Sure, if you ask a person, they'll weave a heartfelt story, etc. but the truth is in what they do, not in what they say ... and the majority of us do nothing or worse.

I'd say conclusion is the opposite - there's little "free will", people generally are slaves to the incentive structures they live in. People follow incentives so predictably that at scale there's little sense in talking about individuals - it's exactly corporations, governments and markets. Behaviour of system as a whole dominates over behaviour of individual components.

Re:The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the p... by FeepingCreature on Thursday May 07, 2015 @11:11AM (#9505597)
There is no people. No dreams, no hope, no love. It's just cells.
Re:The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the p... by k__ on Thursday May 07, 2015 @12:16PM (#9506164)
The theory about capitalism-critique has stopped to blame people for these problems long time ago.

It's about the systems and how they force people to do things they normally wouldn't do.