They hired me. I would have refused any offer less than I was asking for. Lesson learned: if they want you they will pay at least market rate.
I also "negotiated" (negotiated, hell. I just asked for it) a raise well above what they offered a year later at my first review.
when it comes to this kind of topic on HN, sometimes i feel like i'm taking crazy pills.
If you want $200k but are making $150, just say you are looking for a salary around $200k. If they ask again how much you make presently, you can say "I negotiated my present salary years ago, it's not relevant to the value I provide now, I'm sure you understand".
I'm not going to be pushed into lying and making things up out of expediency. YMMV.
i have not, and i would never in a million years ask someone what they currently make. why would i ever do that? what's the point? you might as well ask them about the size of their genitalia.
the range of bullshit answers you will receive, even from the lowest level of positions, just means you're only fooling yourself if you ask these kinds of questions. just ask for what they want. lying about that won't benefit them, it will only benefit me.
Most engineers want to "stay within the rules", which is why they get walked on.
(I'm not for one second saying you do that, personally)
pushing social boundaries is practiced by all sorts of different people.