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Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by treelovinhippie on Monday April 20, 2015 @09:46AM (#9407994)
> They're sorta turning into a commercially viable DARPA.

This. Google and other companies at its scale don't need to worry too much about focus. They can just use the excessive amount of revenues made via software to throw resources at solving global problems and turning scifi into reality.

Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by sparkzilla on Monday April 20, 2015 @10:51AM (#9408451)
Until the core AdWords business fails, and then the whole thing falls apart.
Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by jonas21 on Monday April 20, 2015 @11:35AM (#9408785)
This is precisely why Google needs to throw resources at solving big problems away from its traditional competency. By the time their ads business declines, they're going to need something even bigger to take its place to keep investors happy.

Is it possible to build a new non-ad-supported software business that brings in $60 billion a year in revenue? Maybe. And I'm sure Google's trying.

But it could be that their best bet is to invest in areas where the potential rewards are enormous and few others have the resources and organizational will to invest in.

Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by sparkzilla on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:02PM (#9408978)
Sorry, I should have been more clear. Until their search business fails.

The strategy you outline, and that Google is taking, smacks of desperation, and sends two signals to investors 1) the ad business is declining and 2) the company is desperately trying to find something else that works. However this is based on a false premise. Advertising is not going away. I don't see other media companies making cars -- instead I see them trying to work out new business models in their core area of competence.

I suspect that much of this is founder driven. It's often the case that founders don't really like what their business has become. In Googles's case they want their legacy to be more than ads, so they are throwing money at vanity projects. These projects generate good press, and satisfy their ego, but in the real world they have little chance of success, and little hope of returning much to the company. For example, Google Glass.

Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by dragonwriter on Monday April 20, 2015 @01:46PM (#9409660)
> I don't see other media companies making cars -- instead I see them trying to work out new business models in their core area of competence.

Google's core area of competence is not advertising, advertising is just the means which, so far, has been most efficient to monetize their core competence, but its also a means which has limited range for continued growth.

> In Googles's case they want their legacy to be more than ads, so they are throwing money at vanity projects. These projects generate good press, and satisfy their ego, but in the real world they have little chance of success, and little hope of returning much to the company. For example, Google Glass.

Viewed a different way, there is a limit to how much money Google can pour into its established lines of business with a good return, and one of the things they use the surplus for is high-risk, long-term, high-potential (but low-probability) return projects. Which it can afford to miss on virtually all of, because if it hits even a couple, it'll provide more return than more sedate uses of that money would, and it can afford to throw money at enough projects that it is likely to hit some winners.

Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by stcredzero on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:14PM (#9409075)
Two questions come to mind: 1) What is the difference between Google Glass and Apple Watch? 2) What's keeping Google from using IP and competency they developed with Glass and putting it into their own watch product?
Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by seanp2k2 on Monday April 20, 2015 @02:19PM (#9409875)
1. AWatch doesn't go on your face and doesn't have a camera pointed at whoever you're talking to all the time. Basically, people probably won't punch you or ban you from their theatre / restaurant for wearing it.

2. Not sure how displaying notifications and having a camera with some basic voice recognition is that big of an advantage right now for a smartwatch. Maybe I'm missing something big, but it doesn't seem like Glass did anything that could translate to a smartwatch that smartwatches don't already do better than Glass. Also, they already have Android Wear.

Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by stcredzero on Monday April 20, 2015 @02:32PM (#9409951)
> Maybe I'm missing something big, but it doesn't seem like Glass did anything that could translate to a smartwatch that smartwatches don't already do better than Glass.

I'm pretty sure they discovered/made things they could leverage with regards to integration with apps/smartphones and voice interaction. They did a lot of work with interactions involving very pared down and minimal visual information. Also, it doesn't have to stop with a smartwatch. What if they had an in-car HUD as well as a background service running on a smartphone that could leverage the HUD, the watch, or any enabled and linked display device? For example, what if he whole system could figure out I was in the living room, then enable a Glass-like interaction through the media PC+remote, with optional voice? (You'd have to activate the voice, of course.)

Re: camera -- I can see lots of potential for far more discrete devices and telepresence devices, especially in corporate and government environments.

Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by eclipxe on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:32PM (#9409198)
People actually want to wear an Apple Watch in public.
Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by stcredzero on Monday April 20, 2015 @01:35PM (#9409597)
Translation: Less tech focus and more customer experience focus. But given that, what would prevent Google from leveraging what they learned with Glass with different kinds of wearables?
Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by stcredzero on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:06PM (#9409014)
> Google and other companies at its scale don't need to worry too much about focus.

Which is why they tend to become incompetent at taking R&D and turning it into product.

Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by ocdtrekkie on Monday April 20, 2015 @09:54AM (#9408055)
Scifi into reality: Terminator and Minority Report are great visions for our future. -_-
Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by visakanv on Monday April 20, 2015 @10:16AM (#9408209)
We're all benefactors of this process. We're having this exchange on the Internet, with people all around the world. We use ATMs, escalators.

Check out this video by Hugh Herr about bionics and watch how artificial limbs give people dignity and freedom and joy: https://www.ted.com/talks/hugh_herr_the_new_bionics_that_let...

Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by navait on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:44PM (#9409268)
I don't get all the hate for Minority Report. If we ever had the capabilities their society had, we could structure our justice system in a vastly different way. If we know a violent crime was going to happen weeks before it actually did, crisis units could intervene. Jails would only be needed for those who could never change. Suicides would be a thing of the past. Police officers would drop a "shoot first" policy, and end many of the abuses we have today. Everyone would be better off.

Minority report's mistake is to assume we'll use old-fashioned police with new tech. But new technology allows us to change society in unimaginable ways.

Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by snowwrestler on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:57PM (#9409359)
There are incredible technologies to predict crime now. The problem is that they require the government to collect huge amounts of information on people to inform the predictions.

That's a trade-off that a lot of people are uncomfortable with, because sometimes the technology gets it wrong. And innocent people end up on the no-fly list, arrested, tracked, etc. Or worse, the system confuses political activism with actual criminality, and ends up protecting the status quo instead of just enforcing the law.

I haven't seen Minority Report for a while, but I remember that being a big theme in that movie as well. Wasn't that the dilemma faced by Cruise's character? Go to jail to protect the system, or stand up and admit it is flawed.

Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by navait on Monday April 20, 2015 @02:08PM (#9409806)
We don't have the technology to say "X will commit Y at place Z at time T". We have the technology to say "Person X is somewhat likely to be a terrorist based on known data". That's an important distinction - they only let traditional police do their jobs in a smarter way, not end their job as we know it.
Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by TeMPOraL on Monday April 20, 2015 @10:15AM (#9408199)
Said someone who has Star Trek referenced in their nickname... Not every sci-fi vision is a dystopia.
Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by personlurking on Monday April 20, 2015 @10:24AM (#9408265)
Isn't Star Trek about everyone basically working for the government (ie, in the military)?
Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by TeMPOraL on Monday April 20, 2015 @10:27AM (#9408281)
No; Star Trek focuses on the "military" branch (Starfleet), but the majority of the population of United Federation of Planets are civilians.
Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by personlurking on Monday April 20, 2015 @10:33AM (#9408332)
I stand corrected. Picard's home comes to mind.

There has never been an attempt at a television series depicting Star Trek outisde Starfleet, correct? I mean, something created by the makers of Star Trek.

Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by TeMPOraL on Monday April 20, 2015 @10:43AM (#9408391)
I don't know of any. Deep Space Nine came the closest, especially before the Dominion War arc. While the station itself was commanded by a Starfleet officer, it was still a sovereign Bajoran territory and most of the inhabitants were civilians.
Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by ocdtrekkie on Monday April 20, 2015 @04:02PM (#9410512)
Well, everyone apparently works for free under the Roddenberry vision, so figure that one out. Presumably if corporations aren't controlling things like the Federation database, it would seem likely a significant portion of all real development is going straight to the government though, yeah.
Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by ocdtrekkie on Monday April 20, 2015 @10:22AM (#9408240)
Oh, the Federation, where the world isn't run by corporations? Yeah, Google is not working on that future.
Re:Elon Musk Had a Deal to Sell Tesla to Google in 2013 by TeMPOraL on Monday April 20, 2015 @10:26AM (#9408276)
Google is working on turning sci-fi technology into reality, not sci-fi politics. In the absence of a Third World War, a warp flight and subsequent first contact with the Vulcans, leveraging existing economy seems to be the best strategy for that.