I was interviewed by Fog Creek

Re:I was interviewed by Fog Creek by chrisan on Thursday April 16, 2015 @09:57AM (#9387912)

> How do people cope without a decent terminal?

The same way you do on a mac! You are using a virtual machine to mimic your production environment, right?

I have Win8 desktop and MBPr laptop and develop on both about 70/30. Brew is nice and all (tho has made me howl in frustration numerous times) but I want stuff running on the exact same software as what I deploy.

Between work and pleasure I use a mix of PHP, Ruby, Java, Node, and Python (well and Haskell.. hello coworker! /wave). Not that I actively develop in all of those but will use other programs written in them and sometimes modify the source. CLI on mac is better than cygwin on PC, but I have had hiccups with both getting the right packages/libraries installed. OSX is far from the holy land imo.

I never have a hair pulling event on Ubuntu installing things, sadly I am too frustrated with the NON-CLI parts of Ubuntu to make it my primary OS.

I have all of those languages installed "natively" (ie not through cygwin) on Windows so linting works in Intellij. For SPAs I can use bower,grunt,gulp,livereload etc in cygwin just as easily as OSX. I've not tried installing Haskell on windows, I run that in my VM exclusively.

Right now my biggest gripe is Ansible is a b to get working in windows, but it can work. Hopefully the "run ansible on host" PR gets merged soon into Vagrant.

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Re:I was interviewed by Fog Creek by vonmoltke on Thursday April 16, 2015 @10:12AM (#9388024)

> You are using a virtual machine to mimic your production environment, right?

Assuming you have a production environment, and that said environment is running a full OS. Not everyone is a web or mobile developer.

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Re:I was interviewed by Fog Creek by mcguire on Thursday April 16, 2015 @11:53AM (#9388813)

So, do you have an emulator, or are you running open-loop?

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Re:I was interviewed by Fog Creek by vonmoltke on Thursday April 16, 2015 @12:12PM (#9388932)

Depends on what I am working on.

In my first position, where I was the EE, the software development was done with a combination of an emulator, a VAX build system[1], and live hardware via JTAG.

In my second position I was doing signal processing algorithm R&D, so there was no production system at all.

In my third position I was implementing stuff from the second position and other sources. Our software was (supposedly) platform-agnostic, so we did our development in RHEL and ran on various platforms with various flavors of Linux. There we had examples of real hardware, but had not constructed a full-example production system when I left. All the Linux installs on target hardware were heavily stripped down and configured for real-time operation, though, so we couldn't actually do development on them.

Now I'm doing a combination of R&D, packaged software, and bespoke software for NLP where our customers can run (theoretically) on whatever systems they want. I develop in Ubuntu LTS and test occasionally in a Windows 7 VM. Our customers so far run our software on various flavors of Windows, RHEL, or Ubuntu VMs that we package for them. We don't really have a defined "production system".

[1] This was in 1993, well before I came along

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Re:I was interviewed by Fog Creek by kybernetyk on Thursday April 16, 2015 @10:21AM (#9388077)

>The same way you do on a mac!

But my Mac has a decent terminal.

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Re:I was interviewed by Fog Creek by danielki on Friday April 17, 2015 @01:43PM (#9395919)

So does Windows - Powershell. If that's not good enough, then ConEmu

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Re:I was interviewed by Fog Creek by outworlder on Thursday April 16, 2015 @10:06AM (#9387971)

What if your production environment is Windows? They it doesn't matter. You have to use Visual Studio and the horrible terminal.

OSX has a decent terminal. Windows has not.

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Re:I was interviewed by Fog Creek by sremani on Thursday April 16, 2015 @10:20AM (#9388067)

It has been stated here, most of the developers who are working heavily in Windows environment (myself included) use ConEmu. There are tools out there that do make Windows a productive environment.

Windows does suffer from short-comings but do not tell me OS X or Linux do not.

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Re:I was interviewed by Fog Creek by w4tson on Thursday April 16, 2015 @10:28AM (#9388136)

+1 for ConEmu. It's a life saver on Windows. I know it's a religious issue, M$ vs <whatever> but it is still kinda valid.

I work with some talented C# developers but I'm always thinking in the back of my mind : "what compels you to only develop for windows?".

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Re:I was interviewed by Fog Creek by s73v3r on Thursday April 16, 2015 @01:55PM (#9389596)

ConEmu doesn't solve the problem, as it's still using the Windows cmd.exe. Someone who's used to a UNIX terminal is likely used to something like bash or zsh. ConEmu doesn't give them that.

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Re:I was interviewed by Fog Creek by sremani on Friday April 17, 2015 @02:19PM (#9396152)

ConEmu has a tab for Powershell, and powershell does provide enough power to do scripting. If you are Unix developer, do not expect a one-to-one mapping on windows side. Treat using different OS like visiting a new country. There are many things similar but something subtly and some things starkly different.

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Re:I was interviewed by Fog Creek by RobinBlk7 on Thursday April 16, 2015 @07:32PM (#9391378)

bash and zsh are CLI. They are not terminals. Just run bash in ConEmu.

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