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Re:What the Fourth Industrial Revolution Looks Like by nine_k on Tuesday April 14, 2015 @11:04AM (#9374780)
Because these same people pay them money. If you're a producer, your first and foremost care is your consumer.

If the great majority of people cannot afford to buy what your machines produce, your market is very narrow. If every producer's market is narrow, there's not enough wealth on it, and they are suddenly poor, too.

This is why most producers, especially huge corporations, go to great lengths to lower prices for another few cents.

Re:What the Fourth Industrial Revolution Looks Like by TeMPOraL on Tuesday April 14, 2015 @12:13PM (#9375289)
> If you're a producer, your first and foremost care is your consumer.

No, this is not true, and it's pretty clear everywhere you look. If you're a producer, your first and foremost care is money, not your consumer. Sure, appealing to your customers is a good way to get that money, but it's not the only one. Why do you think that, to pick just one example, companies put so much malware on the computers they sell? Because they calculated that they can do something against their clients that yields extra profits but is not annoying enough for the clients to switch.

Customers are just a proxy for profits.

Re:What the Fourth Industrial Revolution Looks Like by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday April 14, 2015 @12:44PM (#9375524)
You're both correct, but coming at it from different levels. Most manufacturing businesses build things for other manufacturing businesses. In that light, the producer's first care is the "consumer" because his consumer isn't a person; it's another business. As long as that other business is profitable, the guy upstream can get paid and that's his primary concern.

It's only once you get to the factories building actual "consumer goods" that you see the real concern over "who is going to buy this."

The funny thing is that I spend a lot of time on a forum mainly populated by owners of small factories and I see this come up from time to time. The guys (and they're mostly owners & workers at small manufacturing businesses) are concerned about too much automation having an impact on society, but by far their primary concern is making sure that they automate enough to stay in business and be profitable. After all, it's their kids being able to eat that they're going to be mainly concerned with.

Re:What the Fourth Industrial Revolution Looks Like by marcosdumay on Tuesday April 14, 2015 @11:58AM (#9375180)
They don't have money. Remember that nobody wants to employ them?

The only inherent character of a market that gets very narrow is that it's narrow. The amount of wealth created depends on, well, how much wealth is produced, not on how many people are available to buy it. If you don't need people to produce wealth, those two things may have no relation at all.

People are making a huge effort here to assure that no, there's no problem. Yet, both Economis and History say otherwise.