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Re:Subway station toilets: a surprisingly accurate indicator... by anigbrowl on Monday April 13, 2015 @10:20PM (#9371720)
Sad fact in San Francisco was that the public toilets in BART stations were noisome pits of filth that you would avoid going into unless you were truly desperate. After September 11 2001 the underground ones were closed for 'security reasons' - presumably because a bomb would do much worse structural damage - and there's little pressure to re-open them.

I think part of the problem in the Bay Area is that BART runs across multiple counties and there's an awful lot of political buck-passing as a result. Although it has improved in recent years, I still hate riding it and I hate how crappy BART stations feel. In fairness they have tried to mitigate the restroom problem by setting up decent public toilets on the streets near the entrances, but those are still a bit sketchy.

By contrast, when I visit Los Angeles I enjoy riding the subway. It's clean, the signage is excellent, they don't fill up the speakers with random unhelpful public service announcements every 30 seconds, and there's a general air of competence.

Re:Subway station toilets: a surprisingly accurate indicator... by beachstartup on Tuesday April 14, 2015 @12:37AM (#9372134)
some people don't even know LA has a subway, or a light rail system, but it's been slowly built over the last 20 years and is already pretty extensive. LA is so huge millions of people take the train that nobody has ever heard of!! when i was younger, i took it every day for nearly 2 years from hollywood to pasadena, red line -> union station -> gold line.

when the expo line opens here in santa monica next year, it's going to raise some eyebrows. it's a major, major corridor (10 freeway from downtown to the beach) and combined with uber (or not) is basically going to open up the entire west side to public transit.

the wilshire subway will complete the system, but that's not for a while. maybe something that parallels the 405.

fwiw, the bus system in LA and sm is excellent, just slow because of traffic. it serves a huge customer base, but unfortunately it's only for people with more time than money, which in LA means the blue collar working class. however, it is extremely clean and efficient and air conditioned and comfortable and is used by normal, sane working people, it's basically the polar opposite of the SF MUNI. i lived in SF for 2 years and MUNI was so fucking awful i usually just took a cab for longer rides. if uber had existed back then i probably would have used it exclusively.

Re:Subway station toilets: a surprisingly accurate indicator... by anigbrowl on Tuesday April 14, 2015 @03:45AM (#9372688)
The fewer people that know, the less crowded the carriages XD It's a great system, arguably competitive with London's. I used to be snobby about LA but in recent years I've come to prefer it and will probably move down there before the decade is out. Also for the weather and I already work in film, but mainly I just really like the place.
Re:Subway station toilets: a surprisingly accurate indicator... by beachstartup on Tuesday April 14, 2015 @04:29PM (#9377091)
i too prefer LA over the other major cities (sf,ny,chi) for a variety of reasons, but to be fair it's a lot better than it was even 10 years ago in terms of diversity, culture, food, transportation, entertainment, industry, etc. there is still a large polarity of wealth but it's not as bad as SF or NY in my opinion, just because there's more land to use.
Re:Subway station toilets: a surprisingly accurate indicator... by x0x0 on Monday April 13, 2015 @11:38PM (#9371981)
Now people just use the fucking bart elevators.

Seriously. Puddles of standing piss in the elevators at 24th st bart when I had to use them because I was on crutches.

Disgusting doesn't even begin to cover it.

Re:Subway station toilets: a surprisingly accurate indicator... by mc32 on Tuesday April 14, 2015 @12:57AM (#9372178)
The lifts are awful. The escalators are just as bad. Apparently the nastiness the escalator maintenance crew deals with is pretty fetid stuff [1]. Well that's what you get with people who find the bottom of an escalator the coziest place to sleep. It's a shame for both the homeless and the system. But yeah, dont touch any surface within the system unless you're prepared to wash thoroughly

[1]http://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Human-waste-shuts-down-B...

Re:Subway station toilets: a surprisingly accurate indicator... by ptaipale on Tuesday April 14, 2015 @01:31AM (#9372281)
Interestingly, I have seen only one place where there is a sewer drain in an elevator (this is quite near where I live, in an administration centre of modernist concrete design). Judging by the smell, it's very necessary.

Never thought how it works, but I presume the elevator needs to have a storage tank underneath the cage, and that needs to be emptied regularly.