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Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by sytelus on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @09:32PM (#9345311)
Remember in this case we have two companies which decided to work together on a project and established no-poaching agreement.

If you ask your friend to go out with you on a trip along with your girlfriend, would it be ok if your friend builds relationship with her during the trip and she breaks up with you? You can argue that may be your girlfriend found a better fit and you should be ok with that. OR you can argue that you and your girlfriend were doing just fine but your friend violated your trust and lured her away destroying your precious relationship. I bet you can find people arguing both cases as "obviously" right outcome.

PS: I'm not arguing any of the sides but I'm intrigued by this morality problem.

Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by mikeash on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @10:24PM (#9345497)
I don't think that analogy works. The boyfriend/girlfriend relationship is completely different from the employer/employee relationship, and the whole point of this controversy is that companies aren't supposed to be friends.

Here's what I think would be a better analogy: let's say you run a restaurant in a small town. The restaurant business is booming, and you and your competitors are all expanding, to the point where it's getting hard to find qualified cooks and servers.

The cooks and servers start working to get a piece of the pie. They move between restaurants as higher pay is offered. You desperately need more staff and since you can't find new people, you resort to soliciting the staff at competing restaurants and offering them more money. They do the same to your employees. Average pay rises.

You and the other owners don't like this at all. Cooking and serving was a minimum-wage job not too long ago! This steadily increasing pay is eating into your profits. So you all get together and agree to put a stop to it: you won't try to hire away their staff, and they won't try to hire away yours. Pay stagnates, and you and the other owners get to keep more of your profits.

This is what happened with Apple and these other companies over time, only with computer people instead of cooks and servers. Is it immoral for businesses to collude to artificially hold down wages? I think most people would say yes. Probably more importantly, it's illegal.

Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by seunosewa on Thursday April 09, 2015 @09:39AM (#9347380)
Employers would say such an agreement is not immoral, because it benefits them, but employees would say it is immoral, because it harms them. However, most people are employees, so yeah.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by therandomguy on Thursday April 09, 2015 @01:36PM (#9349368)
Immorality aside, it is illegal.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by anon6622 on Friday April 10, 2015 @01:50PM (#9355945)
Law aside, it is unpractical. All companies are starved for cooks, and by collaborating to keep salaries low, they are preventing the job market from expanding.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by ecdavis on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @10:16PM (#9345478)
Oh please, your analogy doesn't fit at all. Apple and Intel aren't friends, they're competitors in the labour market, both hoping to attract the top talent. If they had legitimate concerns about their employees leaving then they should've focused on convincing their employees to stay by increasing their compensation and improving their work environment.

Perhaps "corporations are people, my friend" but they're not buddies out on a camping trip with a girl. There's no Corporation-A-broke-their-word-to-Corporation-B - there's business and competition is a huge part of that.

Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by rojoca on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @09:54PM (#9345406)
If you sign an agreement with your friend behind your girlfriend's back you're looking out for your own interests. You're in effect controlling or limiting her choice without her knowledge.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by asmithmd1 on Thursday April 09, 2015 @03:58AM (#9346229)
Of course the more accurate analogy is you hire a prostitute to travel with you on a trip...