Few options: make system more complex, add randomization, increase moderation effort or make it less open.

I am fan of adding randomization. It was previously proposed: show few random new items on a front page in random places, maybe with a little threshold.

I was thinking about community page destined to fork. After community reaches certain threshold (size, activity) there is automatic fork and 2nd generation community is created. Some algorithm adds accounts for certain users and blocks some other users from account creation. It's just a pipe dream...

> I am fan of adding randomization. It was previously proposed: show few random new items on a front page in random places, maybe with a little threshold.

We tested this idea (though we didn't roll it out for everyone) and the results were terrible. The median story is too low in quality for randomness to add value here. You just end up planting junk on the front page and annoying people. From that we concluded that there needs to be additional filtering, be it by algorithms, humans, or a combination.

I think the easiest option would be more transparency. If HN had a system in by which its users could see how things get to the front page (e.g. with graphs and data), rather than simply having to trust a magic points and time algorithm, it would become immediately obvious to the community at large if/when someone were cheating and we'd be able to react accordingly, over time learning how to identify and punish these.

One Idea would be to increase the "gravity" effect on the frontpage: If it doesn't get the expected influx of votes in a short timeframe, drop it.

Obviously still cheatable but would require more (i.e. easier to detect) votes.

What a great way of penalising posts that take a long time to read.

So maybe we should propose a new field which is the approx. time to finish reading when submitting a story.

And so the cheaters would pick longer durations.

This can be easily identified since other readers won't agree on this field.

It's a game. Cheating the system without being caught is win in YC's universe. But now, this is hunters' turn to take one step ahead of the game!