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Re:Chelsea Manning is tweeting from prison by mason240 on Monday April 06, 2015 @12:04PM (#9328806)
I didn't say that it is not.

I'm saying that you can't compare limits on government power as proof that there is a human right to get services from a government.

Re:Chelsea Manning is tweeting from prison by Frondo on Monday April 06, 2015 @12:31PM (#9328986)
And what I'm saying is, it doesn't work to say that only "negative rights" (stuff that doesn't compel anyone to do anything) are human rights.

People have a human right to participate in their government, too. That certainly compels something to exist: a structure in which they can voice their desires in their governance.

It'd take a lot of contortions to work that right into being an ok-to-exist "negative right," and for my part just shows how "negative rights" breaks down really quickly once you get past the really easy stuff like speech.

Re:Chelsea Manning is tweeting from prison by mason240 on Thursday April 09, 2015 @02:36PM (#9349884)
The only reason contortions are involved is because you are inserting them to make the issue seem more complicated than it is.

>People have a human right to participate in their government, too.

Which is a limit on government's power. That is the essence of the entire Enlightenment philosophy that all this is based.

Re:Chelsea Manning is tweeting from prison by Frondo on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:33PM (#9351721)
But the structures necessary to participate: someone's compelled to do something!

Start from nothing, and try to build up a system that at all resembles a democracy, and you're compelling people left and right. Throw in property rights, such as land ownership, and you're compelling people just about 24/7.

Just because you like being able to use the violence of the state to throw people off your lawn doesn't mean that it isn't compelling people to be in a certain place.