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Re:Why TCP Over TCP Is a Bad Idea (2001) by beefsack on Saturday March 28, 2015 @07:55PM (#9283265)
TCP over TCP for VPN is pretty useful in places where deep packet inspection blocks UDP by default, eg. GFW in China.
Re:Why TCP Over TCP Is a Bad Idea (2001) by droopyEyelids on Saturday March 28, 2015 @10:49PM (#9283685)
Do you have any idea why the GFW blocks UDP by default? I can imagine that for corporate networks, but as far as I know, uninspectable UDP streams only recently came into existence with Google's QUIC (which assumes pre-negotiated encryption keys are still valid)

Why block all streams if you can inspect them (or at least their handshake)?

Re:Why TCP Over TCP Is a Bad Idea (2001) by duskwuff on Saturday March 28, 2015 @11:42PM (#9283786)
Probably because they determined that most of it was VPN or other encrypted traffic, and that blocking it was easier than trying to inspect it.
Re:Why TCP Over TCP Is a Bad Idea (2001) by beefsack on Sunday March 29, 2015 @02:02AM (#9284058)
While practically no official information exists publicly, this appears to be the reason. My gut tells me that the lack of structure in UDP makes it a little harder to inspect too.
Re:Why TCP Over TCP Is a Bad Idea (2001) by rahimnathwani on Sunday March 29, 2015 @12:35AM (#9283887)
Do you have any information you can share about this? A few years ago, I could reliably use OpenVPN over UDP, as long as I switched ports out frequently. Some time ago (I don't remember when), this ceased to be the case, and I switched to PPTP and, more recently, Shadowsocks.

What has been your experience with UDP over GFW?

Re:Why TCP Over TCP Is a Bad Idea (2001) by beefsack on Sunday March 29, 2015 @02:01AM (#9284052)
UDP used to work (~3 years ago) but currently it's blocked wholesale. OpenVPN over TCP gets throttled and blocked thanks to DPI too, an obfuscation layer is required because OpenVPN traffic is identifiable due to a fairly unique encryption fingerprint.

http://blog.strongvpn.asia/china-blocking-udp-ports/

Re:Why TCP Over TCP Is a Bad Idea (2001) by rahimnathwani on Sunday March 29, 2015 @03:19AM (#9284140)
Thanks. This is totally consistent with my experience, and it's good to know that it's not just me :)