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Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by mathattack on Monday March 23, 2015 @06:06PM (#9253634)
I get a little bothered when people expect pundits like CC to be right 100% of the time. If they get nit-picked too much, then people stop making predictions. And CC may indeed be correct on the iPod - it had a great run, but sales are falling through the floor. Similarly, Apple is looking great in the iPhone, but it is still under attack on the low end.
Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by pilsetnieks on Monday March 23, 2015 @07:32PM (#9253993)
He was absolutely right about the iPod, except that the company that disrupted Apple was Apple. Jobs ostensibly was "deeply influenced" by "The Innovator's Dilemma," so it's not inconceivable that he learned from it and cultivated disruptive projects within Apple.
Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by duaneb on Monday March 23, 2015 @08:23PM (#9254186)
Meh, I think spotify (and related services) probably made the ipod obsolete for a certain class of smartphone users.
Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by blowski on Tuesday March 24, 2015 @04:43AM (#9255454)
...and it helped that Apple made 'iPods' (i.e. iPhones) that were compatible with Spotify, instead of just blocking them. That's exactly what the OP is saying - the way Apple constructed the App Store ending up obsoleting the iPod.
Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by andyidsinga on Monday March 23, 2015 @06:51PM (#9253839)
I see my kid's teen friends running around with android phones. Also, there's something to be said for competitors catching up in terms of design. Several are catching up and forcing apple to complete on their terms - see phablets starting with samsung galaxy note.
Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by sogen on Monday March 23, 2015 @07:14PM (#9253927)
Oddly I saw the opposite: my nephew and his friends using iOS only.

Yesterday he bought an iPad mini with his savings, I suggested him to get an Android tablet "hey, an android will cost you 1/3", but he declined, because all his friends had invested a LOT of time on their (iOS) games.

Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by gruntled on Monday March 23, 2015 @08:28PM (#9254200)
That's exactly what you would expect if a "low end disruption" is just getting started. The low-cost disruptor picks off some but not all of the market, and doesn't immediately compete for the most attractive customers (because that fight's too hard for them at the moment).

That's what puts the incumbent in an "innovator's dilemma": do you chase the high end and high margins, and if so which high-end niches do you chase (gamers who want graphics performance, design-lovers who want a precision machined marvel of industrial design) or do you go lower cost and high volume? The latter is a race to the bottom, so the incumbents tend to pick the former and retreat up-market. It's not unusual for the incumbent's profits to increase temporarily when this happens because of their focus on the most profitable customers.

The problem is it doesn't last: the low-cost producers who are already good enough for the low end of the market continue to improve, until they become good enough for the middle of the market too, and grab more and more market share and more and more profit share. And then, looking for even more growth, they head for the top end of the market (or get disrupted themselves).

Ironically, if there wasn't an up-market to retreat to, there would be no dilemma. Android and iOS would have to compete head to head for the same customers with the same requirements (rather than one taking all the budget consumers and the other taking the gamers and others with higher requirements).

As it is, we could be seeing a low-end disruption, and the high-end consumers will be the last to notice.

Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by thramp on Monday March 23, 2015 @10:21PM (#9254527)
The thing you’ve gotten wrong with wrong the “design lovers” you mentioned is that Apple’s customer base are entirely those quote-unquote design lovers who happen to be just normal consumers.

The entire point of the article is that competing on user experience pretty much side-steps the whole theory of low-end disruption.

Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by gruntled on Tuesday March 24, 2015 @04:46PM (#9259366)
I understood the article, thanks. I'm just not convinced.

The debate hinges on this: is UX a special basis of competition that can't be disrupted? Will consumers pay a premium for better UX forever? Will the cheaper alternative never be "good enough"? Won't people put up with a few minor annoyances? What if it saves them money?

I think UX is a hygiene factor: when it's bad it annoys you to the point where you do something about it, but when UX is good enough, most people start worrying about other things.

That's different from design: I think some people will continue to pay a premium because they love Jony Ive designs and they can afford it. And some will pay for a status symbol. And some will need the performance. But none of that is the mass market.

Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by sogen on Wednesday March 25, 2015 @01:01PM (#9264254)
Agreed.

Android has been "good enough" for millions of people. From their ugly start to Lollipop, they have been good enough for many people to choose Android as their primary platform.

This is similar to many of Christensen examples, such as the mini mills disrupting "Big Steel" companies by providing "good enough" cheap steel, and slowly but steadily getting better and better.

Android right now is in that phase, getting better and better, and now is as good, if not better, than iOS.

Interesting times.

Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by encoderer on Monday March 23, 2015 @10:06PM (#9254488)
Samsung had an awful 2014. They have had some real set backs.

I read recently that Apple had a 5 inch prototype built in the iphone4 but it was not a compelling product at the time. Nothing is as clear cut as "Samsung forced apple into competing on screen size".

Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by Tloewald on Monday March 23, 2015 @08:19PM (#9254169)
Apple is competing with Samsung on Samsung's terms? If so it's doing a great job.
Re:What Clayton Christensen Got Wrong (2013) by andyidsinga on Monday March 23, 2015 @09:56PM (#9254463)
yep - big screens: https://www.google.com/search?q=steve+jobs+large+screens

edit: I can't deny they're doing great in sales :)