A C++ pointer is a simple thing: an address within the program's address space. In an earlier response to a similar claim of yours, RayleyField pointed out that "In HotSpot references are double pointers (useful for moving GC), but in general it's up to JVM implementation." Certainly, if you dig into a Java reference, you will find an address that is analogous to a C++ pointer, but the same can be said of a C++ reference. Java references are not exactly equivalent to either C++ references or C++ pointers, and the statement that Java passes by value is not dependent on an arguable claim that Java references are more like C++ pointers than C++ references. This line of argument has just added to the confusion in these threads.

Logically, a C++ pointer and a Java object reference are nearly identical, as described and defined by their respective language standards. Independent of the implementation chosen.

This is not the same as a C++ reference, which is logically an alias (and may be implemented via pointers, but that's irrelevant).

The confusion in this thread stems from people confusing many things, indeed.

Same with "Java object reference" and "Java pointer" (synonyms).

If we can't discuss this topic using those well-defined things, what can we use?

I am told you will find all the things you need well-defined in the JLE, and in doing so you will avoid positing a plurality without necessity, as Billy Ockham may or may not have put it.

But if people in this thread could read and understand the JLS, this thread wouldn't exist. Since it does, some of us feel like we should contribute and correct the false statements we see.