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Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by Aqwis on Thursday March 19, 2015 @10:32PM (#9235962)
Reminds me a lot of Pyongyang. Empty, wide roads, few people on the streets, and a whole lot of luxery facilities for the few well-connected.
Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by WildUtah on Friday March 20, 2015 @12:02AM (#9236178)
"Reminds me a lot of Pyongyang"

Or Brasilia. Three cities built on the communist central planning principles of the post-war American suburb reflect, each in its own way, the oppression and alienation that motorcar-oriented planning imposes on humans. [0]

There is an alternative to suburban hell. The traditional city humans have loved for thousands of years is still possible. [1] There are even great accessible, affordable examples in Burma and Brazil. In places like North Korea and the USA, the destruction of traditional free ways of life has been more complete.

Though if you belong to the powerful and monied elite you might be able to afford to live in the few remaining neighborhoods in Pyongyang or San Francisco where traditional city design from decades ago is grandfathered in.

[0] http://kunstler.com/books/the-geography-of-nowhere/ [1] http://www.newworldeconomics.com/archives/2008/072008.html

Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by cromwellian on Friday March 20, 2015 @11:44AM (#9238374)
"There is an alternative to suburban hell. The traditional city humans have loved for thousands of years is still possible. [1] There are even great accessible, affordable examples in Burma and Brazil. In places like North Korea and the USA, the destruction of traditional free ways of life has been more complete."

This is nostalgia. For most of human existence, we did not live in cities, sipping lattes in outdoor, safe, cafes with clean water. We lived nomadically or in small tribes and villages. The invention of the city brought disease, slavery, slums, corruption, and a whole host of other problems. The "traditional free way of life" was not living in a city where you couldn't be a farmer, but had to work for someone else on someone else's land.

Comparing North Korea to the US is just a non-sequitur.

This reeks of hipster snobby elitism.

Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by danans on Friday March 20, 2015 @12:46PM (#9238738)
You both seem to arguing with extremes ends of human settlement configuration - planned empty mega suburbs like this one in Burma and hunter-gatherer bands before the dawn of agriculture. Sort of a contrived comparison, isn't it?

Re: affordability - I don't know about Burma or Brazil, but in the US, safe, medium-high density neighborhoods with walkable commercial districts and an active civic life are very expensive compared to the car-bound exurban cities in the same metropolitan area. So much that they are only accessible to the upper-middle class to wealthy.

Also, cities didn't invent slavery or bring on disease. These were on the increase from the onset of agriculture due to the demand for labor and the co-habitation of humans and domestic animals.

In fact, there may be genetic evidence of this: There was an article linked on HN yesterday that tried to explain the apparent loss of marker diversity in the Y chromosome after the advent of agriculture to male agricultural slaves being denied the right to reproduce.

Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by WildUtah on Friday March 20, 2015 @02:30PM (#9239669)
"The "traditional free way of life" was not living in a city where you couldn't be a farmer"

This is nostalgia. For most of human existence, we did not farm. We lived in small hunter gatherer bands in very small numbers migrating over vast open landscapes.

But that doesn't invalidate the dream of being a freehold farmer in today's world. It's no reason to prohibit being a small independent yeoman farmer the way North Korea has.

And there's no reason to prohibit building a traditional city and living an urban life the way US central planning has outside a few grandfathered exceptions which have become incredibly expensive because demand rises while supply cannot grow.

Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by cromwellian on Friday March 20, 2015 @04:36PM (#9240522)
Apparently, you didn't read what I wrote "We lived nomadically or in small tribes and villages."

Interference with US city organic expansion is primarily due to zoning regulations and nimbyism, and more than anything it results from people who have a romantic love affair with keeping the city exactly the way it is without accommodating for inevitable growth.

Pretty much the only projects that can get approved are those from huge organizations who have the money and power to overcome years of opposition until they finally can get projects approved.

The average guy who wants to convert an empty building into a cafe, warehouse, or living space, or remodel an area faces excessive red tape.

Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by forinti on Friday March 20, 2015 @09:56AM (#9237713)
I beg to differ. Brasilia was built on Modernist principles. It was very much inspired on the work of Le Corbusier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Corbusier). It has nothing to do with communism.
Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by WildUtah on Friday March 20, 2015 @02:36PM (#9239731)
Corbu was all about controlling the details of daily life by top-down commands from central authorities. His ambitions were to wipe out and knock down Paris and replace it with orderly and easily controlled towers and sight lines. Traditional cities with their chaos, entrepreneurship, freedom, variety, and individualism didn't interest him.

The tower in the park required hugely expensive (at the time) commitment to motorcars and freeways surrounding and fixing the limits of mobility for the poor and middle class. Centralised government and hierarchical businesses were needed to manage and planned lives of humans in Corbu's city.

Everything about Corbu reflected the totalitarian age in which he lived. His dreams are the same as the communists' and merit the same fate.

Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by agumonkey on Friday March 20, 2015 @10:05AM (#9237766)
Maybe communist urbanism was inspired by Modernism ?
Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by peteretep on Thursday March 19, 2015 @11:39PM (#9236125)
Myanmar is nothing like North Korea. For a start, you can backpack around most of the cities unrestricted. Yangon, the largest city in Myanmar, is just like any other South East Asian capital, and again, nothing like Pyongyang.
Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by nemo on Friday March 20, 2015 @12:17AM (#9236200)
It's only relatively recently that travelers could visit Myanmar (legally). For a very long time it was very much like North Korea - a hermit kingdom ruled by a brutal military junta under international sanctions and completely dependent on China.
Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by peteretep on Friday March 20, 2015 @01:16AM (#9236337)

    > It's only relatively recently that travelers could visit
    > Myanmar (legally)
That is simply incorrect.
Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by nemo on Friday March 20, 2015 @10:51AM (#9238038)
Yes, you're right. I was generalizing about Westerners, rather than all travel. I had been told that while in Thailand years ago, but apparently there were some (complicated) ways for Westerners to get visas in the past.
Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by peteretep on Friday March 20, 2015 @07:58PM (#9241369)
It's not even really true about Westerners
Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by dnial02 on Friday March 20, 2015 @02:42AM (#9236472)
Only if you're Westerner. South East Asian can enter Myanmar freely, but Myanmar is the only country that doesn't have free visa for other ASEAN country.
Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by seanmcdirmid on Friday March 20, 2015 @05:15AM (#9236749)
Americans never had a problem with entering Myanmar. All you needed was a visa from the embassy in Beijing (you could probably get one at the consulate in Kunming also).
Re:Burma's capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse s... by maxwin on Thursday March 19, 2015 @11:45PM (#9236146)
The artificially built capital is kind of creepy. But other cities are not like that at all. It is authentic, culture-rich and very safe to travel.