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Re:SpaceX's New Spin on Falcon 9 by arikrak on Thursday March 19, 2015 @12:52PM (#9233179)
That was their original plans for the shuttle. Not saying they won't be able to save money this time, but it's never that simple.
Re:SpaceX's New Spin on Falcon 9 by cryptoz on Thursday March 19, 2015 @12:57PM (#9233210)
Part of the Shuttle's reusability problems stemmed from Congress (and other decision-makers) forcing NASA to use facilities in ~40-50 different states and multiple subcontractors. And, full & rapid reusability was never in the Shuttle plans. They aimed for moderate reusability and then failed spectacularly at that. SpaceX is much more centralized and much more efficient.

There are certainly comparisons to me made, and lessons to be learned, but I think that SpaceX has already met/surpassed all levels of success that NASA achieved in reusability, the only caveat being that they haven't technically done it in a production environment yet.

Re:SpaceX's New Spin on Falcon 9 by nickff on Thursday March 19, 2015 @01:06PM (#9233262)
We should put less focus on reusability, and pay more attention to labor (inspection and repair time) per launch. If you compare SpaceX and NASA under this paradigm, or by looking at launch cost per unit of mass, SpaceX has long since surpassed all other launch providers.

The shuttle had a number of issues, including design issues due to DoD requirements, engine pressure issues due to internal NASA priorities, and budget trade-offs due to Congressional directives. The most important lesson to take away from the shuttle is that returning the most costly components to earth does not necessarily translate into cost savings.

Re:SpaceX's New Spin on Falcon 9 by nicholasdrake on Thursday March 19, 2015 @01:23PM (#9233349)
'What percentage of a launch vehicle (rocket to space) do you think is the cost of labour? It's about 80-90%! It's labour!' Peter Diamandis, X-Prize
Re:SpaceX's New Spin on Falcon 9 by avmich on Thursday March 19, 2015 @11:49PM (#9236155)
Here is an example of how inspection could be done by professionals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dWCI4S4fGg

Re:SpaceX's New Spin on Falcon 9 by mikeash on Thursday March 19, 2015 @02:08PM (#9233601)
The Shuttle pushed the envelope in a dozen different ways and always operated right on the edge, which made it incredibly complicated and caused it to require extensive refurbishment after each flight.

If you look at costs relative to constructing new launchers, reusing the Shuttle was quite cost effective. Cost per launch was in the neighborhood of $500 million, while the cost of building a new orbiter was in the neighborhood of $2 billion. The trouble was just that the system was so expensive that even the reused cost was really high compared to expendables.

None of that applies to Falcon. It's a conservative system and it's already one of the cheapest out there without any reuse. If they match the Shuttle on cost reduction (launching a reused vehicle costs 25% of the original) then they'll have substantially dropped the cost of getting things into orbit, because they're starting at ~$60 million per vehicle, instead of billions.

Re:SpaceX's New Spin on Falcon 9 by semi-extrinsic on Thursday March 19, 2015 @07:47PM (#9235388)
The Shuttle's design was also complicated by the military who required it to have a huge 1000 nm cross range capability.
Re:SpaceX's New Spin on Falcon 9 by marze on Thursday March 19, 2015 @01:07PM (#9233272)
Just because a problem has been solved poorly in the past doesn't mean it can't be solved correctly in the future.
Re:SpaceX's New Spin on Falcon 9 by BinaryIdiot on Thursday March 19, 2015 @01:10PM (#9233288)
> That was their original plans for the shuttle.

While I agree with your point I don't think it's necessarily fair to compare a for-profit company to a government agency with no requirements to create a profit. A company should always be moving in the direction of the highest profits while a government agency seems to always head in the direction of higher bureaucracy.

Re:SpaceX's New Spin on Falcon 9 by ufmace on Thursday March 19, 2015 @01:44PM (#9233476)
I think it's more accurate to say that companies exist to make money, so that's what they optimize. Government agencies exist to provide political capital to their supporters, so they optimize both the political capital created and the number of supporters it's created for.