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Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by nailer on Monday March 16, 2015 @07:48AM (#9210911)
Hi HN,

Creator of Certsimple here. I made CertSimple while applying for and waiting 3 weeks for GoDaddy to issue an EV certificate earlier this year. I looked around for existing companes that could verify and issue certificates without the complex steps. Every company I looked at had a hugely detailed registration process or didn't sell EV certificates - the ones that actually check your identity (like github, mozilla, stripe, and npm sites).

The main difference with Certsimple is the amount of work you have to do to get a certificate.The whole process of applying of a cert with CertSimple is now less than a minute.

This is because:

- We build the entire CSR command, including the subject for both Linux/Unix and Windows. There are no questions and answers. Just paste onto your server (using openssl or libressl on Unix and certreq on Windows) and paste the results. - We set correct the defaults for 2015 browsers (Chrome 41+ is now showing warnings for SHA1 certificates) - We automatically set the required encryption strength for an EV cert (2048 bits) - We check the CSR as soon as you paste it - We're quite specific about the information we ask for, don't repeatedly ask for the same thing, and a few other bits and pieces.

You won't really notice any of this, though: you'll just find it's really easy.

The best way to experience this is to try it - it only takes a few seconds we don't ask for payment until the process is complete.

10% of the profit from our certificates goes to The OpenBSD Foundation, GnuPG, the EFF or Open Rights Group (you pick your preferred source at the end of the order).

Mike

Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by alex_hitchins on Monday March 16, 2015 @08:57AM (#9211109)
Really like the site and will probably use it when the next needing an EV cert.

Given your donation to other projects being a big part of the endeavour, I think it would be good to show what your cost is, what the markup is and what ends up going to the other foundations. Although you don't have to put this up, I think it will help your conversion rate.

Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by nailer on Monday March 16, 2015 @03:35PM (#9213783)
Thanks! That's a great idea and I'm looking to publish some stats after the first month.
Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by cesarb on Monday March 16, 2015 @10:22AM (#9211553)
I'm not interested in an EV cert at the moment, but just for curiosity: which information is required for an EV cert? The front page only has "business name", "country", "city", "state", and server names. I'd expect it to ask at least for a CNPJ (the Brazilian tax identifier, every company has one, it's the "primary key" for businesses in this country) when the selected country is Brazil, for instance.

Is there anywhere in the site which lists what one should have before requesting the cert? Something like "have these documents at hand" (followed by a list of country-specific documents).

Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by mikemaccana on Monday March 16, 2015 @10:45AM (#9211698)
Official guidelines are here: https://cabforum.org/wp-content/uploads/EV-V1_5_2Libre.pdf

Certificates usually use the x509v3 object for 'Jurisdiction of Business Name' and this would point to the national / state level identifier. Ie, in the UK, Digicert looks up the company on Companies House and signs the UK company ID - the end-user doesn't supply the company ID, just the legal name, the verifying CA then checks the government authority to get the company ID. It would be similar in Brazil.

You can see the national company ID inside an EV cert from the browser, and also from openssl:

https://certsimple.com/blog/do-ev-ssl-certificates-have-bett...

One of the the things we're looking at is getting metrics on the parts that most people don't have, do better pre-arm people for verification.

Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by cesarb on Monday March 16, 2015 @11:04AM (#9211822)
> the end-user doesn't supply the company ID, just the legal name, the verifying CA then checks the government authority to get the company ID.

That's backwards from what I'd expect. I'd expect to give the CNPJ, and the CA to get the company name from the government given the CNPJ.

Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by bulte-rs on Monday March 16, 2015 @07:59AM (#9210948)
So, when the process is complete... how much will you bill me?
Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by nailer on Monday March 16, 2015 @08:05AM (#9210967)
Edit: since a number of people have asked, I have added pricing to the first step - ie, the front page of the site.

- This is automatically in USD / EUR / GBP based on your IP location and country

- If you change the country it will update the pricing and also give you a local discount code

- I've added info on cert length to the front page too.

Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by huhtenberg on Monday March 16, 2015 @08:39AM (#9211057)
Erm ... I don't see the price anywhere on the linked page.

Clicking on "Get Started" scrolls up and expects me to start filling the form. Sleazy, very GoDaddy-ish, but OK, since it's on HN's frontpage, let's type in some junk and click the button -

  {"err":"missing required field: preferredDonation"}
So not only doesn't the site show THE most important bit of information for the cert - the price - it apparently inflates it to offset the cost of the donation. Excellent. Apparently this is how one "promotes honesty in the SSL industry."

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EDIT - AH, apparently the prices are shown only if you come from HN. Lovely.

  Single domain EV certificates are €429, 
  multi domain certificates are €699. 
  Both last two years.
Vs. "$234 per year" of getting the cert directly from DigiCert - a price that can be knocked down by 10-15% by sending them a quick email. This works out to $421 or €399 and it includes direct support from them, which is pretty much what they are selling everyone as their primary competitive advantage.
Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by mikemaccana on Monday March 16, 2015 @09:02AM (#9211141)
(Mike here, replying with my old openid account as I'm submitting too fast)

> Clicking on "Get Started" scrolls up and expects me to start filling the form. Sleazy, very sleazy.

Hi there - the only way to 'Get started' getting an EV cert is to start collecting the info for the CSR. I have the same opinion of GoDaddy as you do - if there's something I can do better here I'm open to suggestions.

I've adjusted the code to always show the prices on the first step without the HN link. Originally I used the drop down banner at the top because the banner is animated and prominent, but since it doesn't show up if there's no coupon code, I've moved it to the main page.

Digicert provide the verification and support (we also provide our own in addition). Your CertSimple order ID is a valid Digicert order ID, and you can call Digicert and quote the order ID we give you. We just make the application process simpler.

What browser/OS are you using? I'm having trouble replicating the bug you encountered.

Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by nailer on Tuesday March 24, 2015 @04:15PM (#9259154)
PS. the missing field error is now resolved.
Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by selectnull on Monday March 16, 2015 @08:14AM (#9210988)
Those prices should really be published on the homepage, be loud and clear.

Great work btw, I'm sure when the time comes for me to need EV cert, I will remember this and won't be shopping around. I wish you great success in this endeavour.

Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by detaro on Monday March 16, 2015 @08:12AM (#9210984)
per what time frame? You really are missing BASIC information in your communications.
Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by nailer on Monday March 16, 2015 @08:14AM (#9210989)
Edit: prices in local currency and cert length are now on the front page of the site.
Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by detaro on Monday March 16, 2015 @08:19AM (#9211008)
Checkout (after generating a CSR etc) is really a bit late for that information.
Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by nailer on Monday March 16, 2015 @02:43PM (#9213391)
You're right. Fixed.
Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by bulte-rs on Monday March 16, 2015 @10:40AM (#9211664)
Thanks for the update; much appreciated. Will keep this in mind for the next time I need an EV.
Re:Show HN: Fast and simple way to get EV SSL certificates by nailer on Monday March 16, 2015 @04:21PM (#9214109)
Thanks!