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Re:The Rise and Fall of RedBook by IgorPartola on Friday March 06, 2015 @01:42AM (#9155896)
It is important to distinguish between libertarians who are fiscally conservative (spend money on necessities, not foreign wars, etc.), and libertarians like the Koch brothers, for whom libertarianism is a way to get the government off their businesses' backs.

I am still trying to find an "ism" that resembles my views: spend money on roads, borders, police, education, social services, and healthcare; cut spending on the military, drop the second amendment, and step away from being the world police. Oh, and in the next 10-20 years spend about $500b/year on solving global warming. Then leave social issues the hell alone, such that as long as people are not directly harming each other, leave them the hell alone.

Sort of a mix of libertarian (socially liberal, fiscally conservative), with democratic ideas for healthcare (100% covered single payer, very good safety net for poor, unemployed), and the green party's concern for the environment. Oh and find me a politician brave enough to say something about the gun situation in the US.

Re:The Rise and Fall of RedBook by morgante on Friday March 06, 2015 @03:34AM (#9156166)
To be honest, your views sound textbook liberal. And quite rational.
Re:The Rise and Fall of RedBook by IgorPartola on Friday March 06, 2015 @08:25AM (#9156852)
Maybe, but not tax and spend liberal. I actually want lower taxes via reduced military spending. I don't think the Dems in the US would go for that. Thanks for the perspective.
Re:The Rise and Fall of RedBook by soylentcola on Friday March 06, 2015 @11:09AM (#9157735)
I think the main issue there is that all of those "positives" you support cost a lot of money to do well...more than would even be saved by knocking off 3/4 of the military budget.

No matter how you cut it, "taxes fund civilization". All of those things you want the nation to fund collectively (and I agree that many things are vastly more efficient to fund collectively) require taxing and then spending said tax revenues.

I'm not disagreeing or trying to be pedantic. I actually agree that there are adjustments that ought to be made to the overall national budget including less expenditure on military infrastructure and elective military campaigns. But I think the whole "but not tax and spend" thing is a cliche at this point because everyone has different priorities and opinions on what counts as "important" and what constitutes wasteful "tax and spend".

Re:The Rise and Fall of RedBook by saraid216 on Friday March 06, 2015 @01:15PM (#9158519)
> I don't think the Dems in the US would go for that.

Every non-office-holding Democrat I know would go for it. The problem is that it's political suicide to actually suggest it, because most people don't realize how exorbitant our military spending actually is, so voting for a cut means you go on record as anti-military. That's not an easy rap to beat.

It's one of those downsides to democracy. No one has the power to just do it.

Re:The Rise and Fall of RedBook by saraid216 on Friday March 06, 2015 @03:48AM (#9156206)
I think it gets dicey when you ask him to define "harm". That has the potential to hit pretty much anywhere on the spectra.