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Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by jobu on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @10:45AM (#9101205)
It's odd that they don't mention the reason Corinthian is shutting down so many colleges - http://www.npr.org/blogs/ed/2014/07/08/329550897/the-collaps...

A relative of mine works there and said they were about to be sued by the Department of Education over fraud in their student loan department. The settlement forced the company to sell or close all of it's colleges and no senior management or administrative staff is allowed to stay with any of the colleges.

It seems pretty clear that Corinthian did some bad things, and it's likely the clause the article mentions in federal loans might give _some_ students an way out of debt:

“In some cases, you may assert, as a defense against collection of your loan, that the school did something wrong or failed to do something that it should have done.”

IANAL, but I think it's pretty unlikely the government would let all of the students off the hook. (For a billion dollars!)

Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by simonh on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @12:08PM (#9101931)
I don't think it's up to 'the government', it's up to the courts. It seems pretty clear to me that the school should have educated the students, and didn't. Hopefully the courts will see it that way as well.

Yes, I know that means the taxpayer footing the bill. The government was responsible for accrediting, regulating and auditing the colleges. The government, and collectively the people, are responsible for any failures in that duty and any individual citizens harmed as a result deserve compensation.

Note I'm not a US citizen, so my comments are meant in general.

Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by jessaustin on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @10:50AM (#9101256)
...pretty unlikely...

Eh, it's not "real" money. Students will have debts forgiven when it's politically expedient to do so.

Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by crazy1van on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @11:09AM (#9101453)
> Eh, it's not "real" money

Why not? It was real to the tax payers who paid it to the government and real to the Corinthian employees who were paid by the school and it will be real to the students as they struggle to pay it back over many years.

Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by jeffdavis on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @11:36AM (#9101670)
If something is "real", you can't have less than zero.

(For some definitions of " real".)

Right now, the consequences of forgiving a billion dollars of student debt are immeasurable. It's a small amount to spread over so many people, and ultra easy/cheap borrowing by the federal government can delay the consequences for a long time.

Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by jessaustin on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @01:09PM (#9102375)
This is really all I meant. Everybody wants to get all philosophical, when I was only referring to how our political system works.
Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @11:26AM (#9101595)
Because the Fed can add and remove dollars from the economy at will. See: Quantitive Easing with mortgage-backed bonds.
Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by beagle3 on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @12:13PM (#9101967)
Is any money real money, by that logic?
Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @12:20PM (#9102015)
Technically no. Money is only real if 2 or more people believe it to be so.

Think about it. We exchange dollars, euros, bits, whatever all day long. Do you ever stop to think, "Why does this hold any value to me?" Its because someone else will accept it in exchange for goods or services.

The Onion, as always, captures this perfectly: http://www.theonion.com/articles/us-economy-grinds-to-halt-a...

Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by beagle3 on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @02:25PM (#9102895)
Totally agree with you. But that makes grand-grand-grand parent comment "it's not real money" meaningless.
Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by innguest on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @12:31PM (#9102098)
Ok, so we have this common ground of thinking money isn't too real if it can be printed at will by central bankers. That's good.

Now ask yourself: what do central banks hoard? Whatever they hoard must be, at the very least, a more "real" kind of money than the money they print. Do they hoard diamonds? No. Do they hoard platinum? No. Do they hoard fine art? No. Do they hoard expensive wine? No. What do they hoard? Gold. And why do they hoard gold while publicly stating it's a useless and worthless metal? "Tradition", according to Ben Bernanke.

So if you believe our rulers, you can sleep sound in knowing nothing is real money, and the worthless stuff central banks hoard, they're doing it just because it's tradition. All this work of moving this stuff around the globe in armored planes and escorted ships, it's all for tradition, you see.

Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @12:41PM (#9102167)
Does gold truly have that much worth as a value store? Its not a terribly great metal, and I can't see myself buying food with gold anymore than I can see myself using dollars if the economy collapses.

In a nod to Accelerando (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerando), the only value store I could see being useful in the future is perhaps reputation.

Re:Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit co... by innguest on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @04:36PM (#9140934)
> Does gold truly have that much worth as a value store?

Why do central banks hoard it?

Two questions, one answer.