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Re:Google's new CAPTCHA security login raises 'legitimate pr... by dredmorbius on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @08:55AM (#9100485)
An issue that I've run into is that 1) Google registers traffic from Tor proxies as suspicious (with some reason), it 2) puts Captchas in front of you (which are getting quite difficult to solve), and 3) if you're rate-limiting Tor proxies (around 6,000 - 7,000 worldwide as I was checking earlier), you're going to block a lot of legitimate Tor traffic.

Similarly for VPNs and other tools. Whose use is fairly likely to increase as people start seeking ways to avoid ubiquitous surveillance.

There are other options, including a few tools that look at how to provide a fair and anonymous reputation system for Tor clients:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1412.4707v1.pdf

https://gnunet.org/node/1704

Re:Google's new CAPTCHA security login raises 'legitimate pr... by logn on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @03:49PM (#9103405)
I think you can rate limit without tying it to IP address. If each page returns a session key only valid for the next page request, then you force bots to wait as long as you want and/or spend money on extra memory for parallel sessions. One problem with this is, e.g., if people come to your site from an indexed link and have no possible session yet. In that case you probably would want to add a delay after some amount of requests per IP, so you'd slow Tor users down but only on the first request to your site. If your page is JS or browser dependent in some way, then bots would probably need about 100 MB per thread. All of this is in the ballpark of paying people to solve captchas.

This was a problem before Tor anyhow. You can run a proxy for a few cents a day.

I just don't see how captchas are some awesome solution. In any anti-bot technology, the cost to circumvent it is pennies. It strikes me more as something like DRM which just makes content producers feel good, but really only punishes average people.

edit: sorry I hadn't read your links. Good points and hopefully someone like CloudFlare would make this easy for people to add to their sites.

Re:Google's new CAPTCHA security login raises 'legitimate pr... by dredmorbius on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @03:53PM (#9103424)
You'd have to limit novel sessions to very low activity rates. That would require some sort of persistence token (not necessarily a cookie), and if provided on an anonymised basis, one that's verifiable but not predictable or traceable to prior cookies. Which is what much of the references I provided covers.

Sorting a mechanism for allocating those tokens' seed values is difficult. FAUST requires an unblinded token request initially.

CAPTCHAs had been useful, though always problematic. The goal isn't perfection but costs. Problem is that costs keep falling.