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Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by Shivetya on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:06PM (#9031005)
damn, if marketing doesn't prove its worth with these numbers. Yes they make good products but its obvious their margins are so damn high because their marketing has convinced people that it is worth it. (iphone/mac/airport owner.... so yeah)

Honestly though, I would love some other choices but they competition in general just sucks. For awhile android phones almost caught my attention but the pc world hasn't since my first 24 inch iMac. Tablet market is just, Apple.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by somedudethere on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:20PM (#9031061)
I recently went to replace my HTC 1 M7. First I got a Moto G, but due to cell signal, and general quirks in lollipop I thought I would try a Samsung S5. Ugg. I don't know how people could stand all the non-standard stuff that samsung puts on there. So I decided to settle in with a Nexus 6. It was pretty good. But it just seemed empty. Maybe because I was used to using custom roms on One it just seemed like features were missing. I didn't want to install a custom rom on it because in the past I always just ended up with bugginess and quite frankly a custom roms are a cop out. I paid for something, the people I paid should give me a good experience not random people on the internet. But the app store, even though it gives users a plethora of customizations like lockscreens, locks, etc, they will never bring android up to the level of a unified experience of the iPhone.

So I went and got a 6+. I have to say since it was my first iPhone I was blown away. I was in the camp of "Why do I need to spend $1000 to do what this $200 moto g can do?" I really can't see how android users feel that any android device is as polished as the iphone. I guess its subjective but honestly >90% of people I know in silicon valley have an iphone. If the most tech centered place in the world all use iphones, I think that says something. Its more than just its the trendy cool thing to do. Its honestly a better experience and the professionals can see that. If I, an engineer in silicon valley, can't get android to do what I want when I want it, how can I expect the average user to master it? Maybe its because I have a higher standard for software and user design since I am in the business but everyday I find some subtle way that the iphone manages to impress me, a feeling I never got on android.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by eropple on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:52PM (#9031166)
For a differing opinion:

I tried an iPhone 6, moving away from a Nexus 5 and then a Moto X. I enjoyed many parts of it--Touch ID is cool, Apple Pay is cool--but I took it back two days later because the operating system expects you to have a thumb the size of Montana to do something as simple as going back a screen in the mail app and I found dealing with applications and getting the phone the way I wanted it (and I'm no iOS newbie, I had an iPhone 4 and have multiple iPads) was at best interminable, at worst impossible. I bought a Sony Xperia Z3 Compact. It's the first cell phone I've loved since the iPhone 4--unsurprising, as it borrows a lot from its design while being pretty unique and pleasant on its own. (The waterproofing is great, hiding the connectors during regular use is nice, having a real focus-stop camera button is brilliant. Also, it's bright orange. My Nexus 5 was bright red. This is kind of my thing.)

As far as your argumentum ad turtleneckum, I wouldn't give ninety percent of the people I know in Silicon Valley the time of day. Their choice of phone doesn't reflect on me or the world at large.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by matwood on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @09:05PM (#9031203)
I had an iPhone4 then moved to Nexus for the larger screen. I like Android, but it was never as polished at iOS. The iPhone 6 got me to try it again and I think it's awesome. The big thing I notice is how polished all the iPhone apps are over their Android counterparts.

Most of my iOS complaints were fixed in 8 and phone size was finally remedied.

Admittedly, if Google had released an update Nexus5+ for $350 I likely would have just stayed with Android for the cost alone.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by eropple on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @09:44PM (#9031319)
Honestly? Every app I use on Android is really nice and polished. Chrome, GMail, Maps, Twitter, Slack, Facebook Messenger, Hangouts, 1Password, Pocket Casts, Poweramp, and Pandora are all completely satisfying. The worst app I have is OpenMBTA...which fails to get my jimmies rustled because it's a dropdown list and a map overlay.

There are lots of shovelware applications on Android (lots on iOS too, though), but I don't really live on my phone so I think it's just much less of a thing for me.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by baudehlo on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @09:04PM (#9031199)
Going back a screen in the mail app is as simple as swiping right. I don't understand why you'd need a huge thumb for that. It doesn't need to reach up to the top of the screen.
Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by eropple on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @09:40PM (#9031308)
The swipe gestures are not standard across all apps (they didn't seem to work in GMail, for example), and when they did I had to hit the left edge of the screen. I do not have monsterhands that can securely grip the phone, reach all the way across, and do that edge swipe. (I can hold securely the Z3c and hit almost any point on the screen with my thumb.) I also don't really like gestures--other than Swype keyboards--when using a phone one-handed, which doesn't help either.

That wasn't the main reason I took it back, though if they had an iPhone 5-sized upgraded iPhone 6 I'd probably have kept it longer. (I probably wouldn't have kept it, there were enough other frustrations that not paying $900 for a phone and being able to get a better phone for my use case for $375 was appealing, but it might have lasted longer than a snowy weekend.)

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by acchow on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @04:03AM (#9032063)
I'll second your thoughts on the Xperia Z3 compact. I've gone through a variety of iPhones and Android phones, and this is the first phone that blew me away since the iPhone 4.
Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by vacri on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @09:42PM (#9031313)
If the most tech centered place in the world all use iphones

It's a status signaller. It's like the Macbook Pro. From your reasoning, OSX must be the best OS out there given its popularity in SV, yet the grunt work for the vast majority of SV companies is done by linux - the stuff on the servers, making their money. Horses for courses, there is no One True OS.

It's also a massive overgeneralisation to say that the population of SV are essentially experts in phone design and UX. And if you think that the SV engineer is immune to fashion trends by dint of 'being professional', you'd be wrong. Witness the current fad of flat design, for example.

Then there's people like me, who see the 'better experience' as including things outside the phone. Supporting Apple supports their business model which suffocates open source and prevents tinkering. That's a worse experience for me.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by sukilot on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @10:18PM (#9031400)
You seem to be insinuating that Linux on a laptop is as good as Linux on a server, but there is no way you actually believe that.

Apple makes the only usable laptop OS these days (now that Windows 7 gave way to iOWondows)

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by vacri on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @11:36PM (#9031578)
That's something you're projecting onto me - I put in the line "Horses for courses, there is no One True OS" specifically to avoid that.

Edit: I also disagree with the comment that OSX is the only usable laptop OS. Linux does require more maintenance overhead, but it's perfectly usable. At my last workplace there were plenty of people complaining about their OSX laptops, both in terms of various problems, and also that their older machines were slowing to the point of uselessness.

Like I said, horses for courses.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by cozzyd on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @11:14PM (#9031538)
What's wrong with Linux on a properly supported laptop? (OS X also sucks on improperly supported laptops... much worse than Linux, in fact). I find GNOME 3, in particular, much more productive on a laptop than OS X.
Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by acchow on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @04:04AM (#9032068)
I have a number of friends who swore by linux but then never looked back once they got macbooks.

Also, Linus Torvalds uses OS X on his macbook air.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by cozzyd on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @11:11AM (#9033640)
I don't doubt your anectodes, but the idea that Linus uses OS X on his macbook air is hilarious (according to what he's said, he's a Fedora user, and has retired his MBA in favor of a Pixel).
Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by vacri on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @03:32PM (#9035527)
I work with one person who went linux -> OSX and two that went OSX -> linux. All seem very happy.

It's almost like OSX isn't the One True OS, and that different people have different preferences.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by jmccree on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @12:45AM (#9031711)
I went from OSX to Ubuntu a few years back and it's been the most overall enjoyable and productive desktop/laptop OS experience I've had.
Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by peterashford on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:26PM (#9031083)
Well, clearly you iPhone users are just better than the rest of us, after all.
Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by modfodder on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:49PM (#9031159)
In one sentence you ascribe Apple's success to their marketing. In the next you wish Apple's competition released products on par with Apple's quality.

Could it not be that Apple's success has less to do with marketing and more to do with the lack of quality amongst it's competitors?

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by pasta_2 on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:19PM (#9031055)
I love backhanded compliments about Apple's marketing. If marketing had the impact you seem to think it does, Samsung would be doing a whole lot better than they are.
Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by soylentcola on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @11:24AM (#9033724)
The fact that they have such a massive share of the market despite the mediocre quality of their products really is a testament to their marketing.

Even just among Android phones, their products are neither the most affordable, the most powerful, the most user-friendly, the best supported, or the best constructed but they have managed to become the go-to brand for people buying an Android handset.

Pretty much everyone I've met (yeah, anecdotes) with less of an unhealthy interest in consumer electronics than me defaults to "iPhone or Samsung" when looking at phones. Of the people I interact with most often, about 50% have Apple Phones, 45% have Samsungs, and the remaining 5% have Moto X's or Nexuses or other brands.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by threeseed on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:27PM (#9031090)
This again.

Marketing encourages people to take a look at their products. But if the products are terrible then nobody is going to buy them. Apple has had plenty of failures in the past despite good marketing e.g. Cube, many of the iMac variants.

The reason Apple does well is FOCUS. They keep their products lines simple which makes it easy for consumers to rationalise and easy for them to scale and improve.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by IgorPartola on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:37PM (#9031125)
Every product of theirs I own has two attributes that I prize: it works without much thought from me and it is well supported by Apple. Basically, an iPhone just works. There is no tweaking necessary. I have AppleCare. If I drop it and the screen shatters, I can get it replaced for cheap. Not many other phones can claim this.
Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by imron on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @11:30PM (#9031567)
Until it doesn't, e.g. upgrading your phone to a newer version of iOS and then not having Wifi range beyond 1-2 meters for a couple of months.

I used to be impressed with how Apple products 'just work', but recently they have noticeably started slipping in this area.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by mercer on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @08:17AM (#9032626)
I agree, and that could be dangerous for Apple in the long run. But they still seem to be ahead, especially when it comes to laptops. I've used a Nexus 4 with great pleasure for about two years, and being back on an iPhone 5S, while slightly better (in my opinion), is only barely worth the higher cost.

I hope that happens to laptops too, because I'd love to have alternatives and some more competition.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by safewayclubcard on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @09:44PM (#9031320)
This is huge. My parents (ages >60) bought galaxies. They pay $9 per phone and a >$200 deductible if it breaks. The insurance is through a 3rd party. That is insane.

if it breaks 12 months in, you put in $108 then $200 for the deductible. Those are conservative estimates because I can't find the pricing right now but I now it is more.

My iphone apple care was $100. If it breaks that is $79. I can break it 3 times over the course of 24 months and it is cheaper than breaking the galaxy once at 12 months. Applecare is a steal.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by vacri on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @09:45PM (#9031327)
What if the products are 'average' rather than 'terrible'? It's not like there's a binary value for quality.
Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by billforsternz on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @12:43AM (#9031709)
I'd love to own an airport, man the money they make from parking fees alone ....
Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by arthurcolle on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:09PM (#9031014)
I like my Kindle Fire HDX quite thoroughly so idk about that last statement.
Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by peterashford on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:25PM (#9031078)
My partner has a Samsung Note tablet and is very happy with it as her primary device. So... I'll pass on the koolaid thanks =)
Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by zanny on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:11PM (#9031027)
I swear by my Nexus tablets and I was one of the backers for the Jolla tablet. Nothing about an ipad or ipad mini is appealing to me, and the draconian lockdown and lack of control of my own hardware guarantees I will never own an Apple product.

And in my daily life I do not see many ipads. Only amongst those so ignorant to think tablets = Apple in the same way they think computers = Windows. There are plenty of Android tablets out there in use, a lot of them are in businesses now due to the significantly lower cost to adopt $100 - $200 tablets over ipad minis, combined with developer fees and the hoops to jump through with xcode licenses and ios developer licenses and all that bullshit.

Re:Apple closes trading with $700B+ market cap by modfodder on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:55PM (#9031173)
So it is your opinion that the people who buy iPads do so only out of ignorance and none out of preference for Apple's product?

In my daily life I see quite a few iPads, but rarely a Nexus, and then only amongst those that have severe psychological issues. Nothing from Google interests me with their insistence on seeing me as a slave to their income generating advertisements./s