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Re:The C++ bashing season is back (2009) by pjmlp on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @01:26PM (#9028893)
Delphi, Modula-2, Oberon, Component Pascal?

All strong in the 90's, sadly the market went somewhere else.

Only Ada seems to survive, but in its own area, high integrity computing.

Re:The C++ bashing season is back (2009) by geoelectric on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @01:31PM (#9028928)
To be fair, Delphi was pretty hard to get down to that kind of compactness because of dragging in the VCL as a baseline.

You could technically program without it in standard event loop, but then the code would have been unfamiliar enough to other Delphi developers to perpetuate some of the same issues.

Re:The C++ bashing season is back (2009) by pjmlp on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @01:58PM (#9029109)
Why unfamiliar? It is how we coded in Turbo Pascal for Windows.

Not everyone was using OWL all the time.

Re:The C++ bashing season is back (2009) by geoelectric on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @08:56PM (#9036921)
Delphi picked up more people from VB and Powerbuilder than it did from TPW, I think.

I got my professional start using Delphi, but never got the impression that many of my colleagues knew TPW well.

Of the ones that didn't come from a database or 4GL background, most of us had used BCW for Windows coding and then switched back to Pascal when it became commercially viable to get a job in it. Borland Pascal didn't exactly have a ton of play in 1995. So it's true that they would've understood basic Petzold-style loops, but it would've been a bit surprising in Delphi.

Later, most of the people I knew using Delphi didn't know bare Windows programming at all, since MFC had fully taken hold for people from that background.

I was also under the impression that OWL was quite dominant, but I admit that I only passed through it briefly between Turbo Vision and VCL.

Still, good point!

Re:The C++ bashing season is back (2009) by amyjess on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @02:09PM (#9029186)
D, too, and while it survived, it seems to have been ignored.

And I think you mean Modula-3, not Modula-2.

It's kind of a shame. I'm a huge fan of languages like D, Modula-3, and Delphi, and I'm really disappointed they never took off.

Re:The C++ bashing season is back (2009) by pjmlp on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @02:13PM (#9029230)
No, really Modula-2.

Modula-3 was hardly used outside DEC, while Modula-2 had big use in Europe.