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Re:The rise of fake engine noise by kaybe on Thursday January 22, 2015 @05:34AM (#8928450)
It's dangerous if pedestrians and cyclists expect to hear cars and they approach silently.
Re:The rise of fake engine noise by jarek on Thursday January 22, 2015 @07:11AM (#8928728)
Maybe they shouldn't expect that then. Lots of cities have trolleybuses, trams, and other electric transport without carnage on the roads.
Re:The rise of fake engine noise by listic on Thursday January 22, 2015 @08:47AM (#8929071)
As a cyclist, I can confirm that, unfortunately, the pedestrians do rely on sound quite a lot in figuring out whether a vehicle is dangerous: if you're silent, they won't try to avoid you that much. Sometimes it becomes ridiculous: a pedestrian looks in your direction and proceeds walking across, in the middle of the street, forcing you to brake to a halt. They don't do that to cars.
Re:The rise of fake engine noise by jarek on Thursday January 22, 2015 @11:02AM (#8929824)
Clearly not scalable in the future, where amount of electric vehicles will keep increasing (not just cars: scooters and e-bikes too). I'm a fairly passionate pedestrian but we can't expect to be able to stay safe by hearing alone.

Consideration for blind people is an important argument but it seems so much saner to require quiet vehicles to have a radio transponder that can send exact speed and direction rather than having people identify these by hearing beeps or fake engine noise.

Re:The rise of fake engine noise by JoeAltmaier on Thursday January 22, 2015 @11:08AM (#8929860)
Not following. How do radio signals help a kid stepping off a curb? Not everybody owns a phone; not everybody has it on and running the 'don't get run over' app.

We've been trained as a people to respond to environmental cues. The learning period to adjust to different cues (beeps, phone apps etc) is another phrase for 'lots of people get hit by silent cars'.

I'd suggest a period of dual cues - make noise, AND whatever else we imagine could help us not get run over. Eventually the noise part might fade away.

Re:The rise of fake engine noise by jarek on Thursday January 22, 2015 @02:43PM (#8931259)
Radio signals to help blind people, replacing sound.

The learning period for "vehicles don't make noise at speeds that can kill you" has already begun. Priuses have been around for 10 years.

Re:The rise of fake engine noise by JoeAltmaier on Friday January 23, 2015 @10:40AM (#8935340)
Until a sizeable fraction of the cars on the road are silent, the learning period has not yet significantly begun.
Re:The rise of fake engine noise by jarek on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:29PM (#8936047)
Great, so it's begun in Vancouver and San Francisco. Forefront of transportation :)
Re:The rise of fake engine noise by pluma on Thursday January 22, 2015 @08:03AM (#8928913)
Trams aren't as silent due to the rails.
Re:The rise of fake engine noise by marssaxman on Thursday January 22, 2015 @02:53PM (#8931332)
A car would have to be some sort of magical hovercraft to approach silently, because tires rolling on asphalt make lots of noise whether the engine contributes or not.
Re:The rise of fake engine noise by jthurman on Thursday January 22, 2015 @03:52PM (#8931674)
This is true, but as a cyclist, often the sound of my own tires on the road, plus the wind in my ears and sometimes even my own breathing, masks the road noise of an oncoming electric car.
Re:The rise of fake engine noise by marssaxman on Thursday January 22, 2015 @04:15PM (#8931796)
Reasonable point - I was thinking about it only from the perspective of a pedestrian, as I don't ride a bicycle myself.
Re:The rise of fake engine noise by kagamine on Friday January 23, 2015 @09:31AM (#8934971)
I was almost run over by a Nissan Leaf 2 weeks ago because it crept up behind me on soft snow. It was only going about 5-10 km/h. They could definitely manage to kill a child.