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Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by TheOsiris on Saturday January 17, 2015 @04:44PM (#8905620)
precisely, and this is why I'm starting to think that snowden has - at least - caused as much harm as good by his revelations. if he had stopped at revealing the domestic surveillance he would be an undisputed hero/patriot. but with all of these unnecessary leaks that does nothing but harm to national interest I can understand how others might view him otherwise.
Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by jallmann on Saturday January 17, 2015 @04:49PM (#8905636)
Others have said as much. Here is a quote from William Binney, another NSA whistleblower, on advice that he has for Snowden:

> I would tell him to steer away from anything that isn't a public service — like talking about the ability of the U.S. government to hack into other countries or other people is not a public service. So that's kind of compromising capabilities and sources and methods, basically. That's getting away from the public service that he did initially. And those would be the acts that people would charge him with as clearly treason.

The whole interview is a great read: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowd...

Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by nitrogen on Saturday January 17, 2015 @06:47PM (#8906017)
The US public has a legitimate interest in knowing about NSA's hacking abilities, because vulnerabilities used by the NSA abroad can just as easily be used domestically by foreign or criminal attackers.
Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by jallmann on Saturday January 17, 2015 @08:37PM (#8906273)
Against a well-prepared adversary, a vulnerability can only be exploited once -- a zero day. After disclosure, or evidence of an exploit in circulation, such vulnerabilities become useless towards the agency's mandate, whether or not you agree with that mandate. Realpolitik? Definitely.
Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by angersock on Saturday January 17, 2015 @05:12PM (#8905713)
Have you considered that the public interest and the national interest are not one and the same?
Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by pferde on Sunday January 18, 2015 @11:01AM (#8907803)
But shouldn't it be? At least USA has this weird motto for its government: "of the people, by the people, for the people".
Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by kaybe on Sunday January 18, 2015 @12:20PM (#8908037)
The affected public is not just in the US, considering us citizens of (even) allied countries are fair game. The motto you cite probably refers to just US citizens.
Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by eloy on Saturday January 17, 2015 @05:57PM (#8905877)
Do you realize that Snowden never leaked single documents? He just delivered over 100,000 of documents to Glenn Greenwald last year, and he published them continuously over a long time.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they said some time ago that only 1% was published. So it would be impossible for Snowden himself to read everything and choose if it should be published.

Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by TheOsiris on Saturday January 17, 2015 @07:58PM (#8906182)
as you said, he leaked 100k documents to Glenn Greenwald. My point is that it was his responsibility to vet them himself and not rely on Glenn and whoever Glenn chooses.
Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by dTal on Sunday January 18, 2015 @01:59PM (#8908401)
Specifically which leaks harmed "national interest" without benefit to the public? I ask non-rhetorically, as GCHQ at least have shown themselves not to be above "leaking" carefully selected titbits and attributing them to Snowden, just to muddy the debate:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/exclusive-uks-...

and the Guardian's "haha what":

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/23/uk-gove...

Note that this "leak", as well as NOT coming from Snowden, isn't really in the domestic public interest, is an activity that a far larger percentage of people would support, and presumably is already known by the target anyway. The clear intent is to make people read the article and go "huh, this Snowden ballyhoo is very overblown". I wonder why the so-called "Independent" played along.

Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by vorg on Saturday January 17, 2015 @05:03PM (#8905677)
> if he had stopped at revealing the domestic surveillance he would be an undisputed hero/patriot. but with all of these unnecessary leaks that does nothing but harm to national interest

It's also important the public realize the NSA is more than just the National Stalking Agency.

Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by TheOsiris on Saturday January 17, 2015 @07:59PM (#8906184)
I think with the domestic surveillance revelations that became abundantly clear.
Re:New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for C... by pakled_engineer on Saturday January 17, 2015 @06:38PM (#8905993)
I'd say it's safe to assume all 1.7 million documents, including the secrets his bot scraped that Snowden didn't want released are in the hands of the Chinese MSS already. I find it hard to believe they didn't set up shop beside his room in that HK hotel to use state intel agency methods to grab his keys, nor do I believe that his hasty destruction of his standard laptop wear-levelling flash drives in the airport before departure to Moscow actually destroyed all the data.

I bet there's a room stacked to the ceiling in printed US secret military documents in Beijing that they trade to Russia for cheap oil+gas imports. I realize Snowden never wanted that to happen but there's a reason why state's have strict methods to store and transport top secret data and they don't include using questionable XTS container software and staying in a HK hotel with the entire secret US archive stored on a commercial device.