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Re:Italia Startup Visa by mmf on Thursday January 15, 2015 @01:00AM (#8891131)
Organized crime has nothing to do with the issues of opening a startup in Italy! What is missing is an ecosystem for startups: no VCs, fair amount of bureaucracy and challenging employment laws. However, you get great engineers, passionate, inventive and hard working for a pricing that is competitive with India. (Sad but true).
Re:Italia Startup Visa by Ecio78 on Thursday January 15, 2015 @01:54AM (#8891248)
I agre with what you say except for the salary comparison with India. Even though salary are low in Italy compared to various other countries, in IT too, according to payscale[1] the average salary of a developer is 340k Rupie per year, that is around 4.7k Euro. The average salary in Italy for IT should be at least 25k-30k Euro. But to be fair it would be interesting to compare it to cost of living, because as Italian I know for sure that IT guys are not paid better than others in Italy, while I have no info about India (it could be that they are pay not too much, but really well compared to other workers and local cost of living).

Having said that, I agree with many others saying that it's not a great idea to go to Italy for startups.. things are moving and are improving compared to 5 or 10 years ago but in no way comparable to other places in UE (let's compare for example Berlin, London or Paris with Milan or Rome...)

[1] http://www.payscale.com/research/IN/Job=Software_Developer/S...

Re:Italia Startup Visa by gQTZNsXG on Thursday January 15, 2015 @06:01AM (#8891868)
Yeah sure. Go open a startup company in Naples, wait for someone to ask you for /pizzo/ and let's talk again about this.
Re:Italia Startup Visa by stefantalpalaru on Thursday January 15, 2015 @07:05AM (#8892072)
You know how much is the protection tax in zones controlled by organized crime? 3% of your profit.

You know how much the state takes from your (revenue - expenses)? At least 66%.

Re:Italia Startup Visa by gQTZNsXG on Thursday January 15, 2015 @07:31AM (#8892163)
Yup, and those two sum up.

It's not State XOR Mafia. It's state AND Mafia. As if state alone was not enough.

Re:Italia Startup Visa by stefantalpalaru on Thursday January 15, 2015 @07:44AM (#8892226)
Of course they sum up. My point is that there's a much bigger problem in the cost of doing business than the protection tax. About 22 times bigger.
Re:Italia Startup Visa by mythrowaway888 on Thursday January 15, 2015 @02:03AM (#8891266)
Wait, why is that sad? Good for India. They actually have some great developers, despite the best leaving for the US.