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Re:Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the co... by balls187 on Tuesday January 13, 2015 @04:17PM (#8882649)
> Why is it acceptable for the Founder/CEO to continue leading the company at 40+ employees but not acceptable for the engineer to lead an engineering team at 40+ employees? Seems like a double standard.

It is a double standard, but however it's hardly that cut and dry.

Post Series B, if the board does not believe the current Founder/CEO can take the company to the next milestones of growth, they will replace them.

Typically engineering teams need to scale sooner, so you you see a more experienced manager be brought in before the CEO is considered for replacing.

The CEO may also has the additional benefit of having the investors and board help him or her in their decisions.

Re:Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the co... by fluffheadsr on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @09:01AM (#8886235)
reason number 472 to never take funding.. if your business can not be bootstrapped successfully, it's likely your business is going to never turn a profit. Funding is silly, i'd never subject any business i'm involved with to a board room full of investors that don't give a shit about me or my business and only care about PROFIT! MOAR PROFIT! blech.

So glad we're bootstrapped.. we're not doing millions a month in business, but we don't need to.. we've been profitable for nearly a decade, a SaaS service since 2002, and we do about 100k/mo in revenue. Pays the bills, pays our people, and we're all so much happier with life.

Re:Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the co... by knd775 on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @10:02AM (#8886610)
>if your business can not be bootstrapped successfully, it's likely your business is going to never turn a profit. Funding is silly...

Well, this just isn't true at all. Many companies have very high costs up front due to the nature of their business. This is especially true in hardware startups, but can also be true in software startups.

Re:Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the co... by fluffheadsr on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @12:00PM (#8887458)
I guess, but there are so many better ways these days, if your product is worth building to get it built than to give up a huge piece of your pie. Crowd funding, etc.. if you have 10 years of R&D well you're better off just taking the idea to another company.

This is a generalization, but I think owners get their priorites mixed up when they are sitting on millions in free money.. their burn rate is insane.. they spend money on the wrong things, etc.. fancy offices, whatever, and they aren't even profitable. We work from home, and share a co-working space as well as an office with 2 other companies..

Office life is over rated and is a giant waste of startup funds. =/

Re:Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the co... by angersock on Tuesday January 13, 2015 @06:48PM (#8883381)
The board is just a bunch of old white dudes with money. The fuck do they know?

EDIT:

balls187 suggests they know how to make money--which is perhaps true, but not necessarily in your field of endeavor or business, unless you've picked them.

kelnos is closer to it, which is that the board tells you what to do because they're the board and that's the power you've granted them.

Again, in neither case, do we actually need to assume they are making the best or even informed decisions. There are some great stories of boards I've known locally suggesting really dumb things that hurt and even killed companies.

Re:Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the co... by kelnos on Tuesday January 13, 2015 @06:56PM (#8883413)
Assuming you're correct (very debatable), it doesn't matter: they're the ones funding the company, so they get to make the decisions. This doesn't always work out well, but it's not unreasonable.
Re:Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the co... by wpietri on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @09:49AM (#8886535)
One could make the same argument for hereditary monarchy. Which I would take as a sign that maybe it is unreasonable.
Re:Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the co... by infinite8s on Friday January 16, 2015 @02:20PM (#8901021)
Except that taking funding is a voluntary action. Living under a hereditary monarchy is not.
Re:Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the co... by balls187 on Tuesday January 13, 2015 @07:04PM (#8883435)
Presumably how to make money.
Re:Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the co... by UK-AL on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @05:37AM (#8885457)
Investors are like companies, 60%-80%(Dubious estimation) are not that great, but every so often there is a good one.
Re:Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the co... by gravedave on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @01:28PM (#8888053)
Are you implying that young, poor black people know better?
Re:Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the co... by throwawaymaroon on Tuesday January 13, 2015 @07:20PM (#8883488)
What are you thinking? You can't just point out that decision-making in Silicon Valley lies with a clueless investor class.

You've got to keep the charade going: keep them writing checks and thinking their input is valuable.