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Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by ArkyBeagle on Saturday January 10, 2015 @03:48PM (#8867862)
Going cashless smacks of dystopianism. We seem to presume that anyone "off the books" is up to no good. Some are up to no good, but many are simply trying to survive.

Perhaps I'd think differently if we had no unemployment.

Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by higherpurpose on Saturday January 10, 2015 @04:00PM (#8867899)
I wonder if now the governments there consider people using cash "suspicious", just like the US gov considers not having a Facebook account suspicious, or how the Spanish Court in a recent case considered encrypting your e-mail end to end as "suspicious".
Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by silb on Saturday January 10, 2015 @05:00PM (#8868094)
This is true in Norway.

Merchants are required by law to report cash purchases over a certain amount to the tax authorities.

Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by sliverstorm on Saturday January 10, 2015 @05:20PM (#8868154)
The same has been true for cash withdraws from the bank over a certain amount, for decades. "Suspicious" isn't quite the right word, as there are plenty of legitimate reasons. But the cost (reviewing a small number of large withdraws) vs. probability of detection is good.
Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by waps on Saturday January 10, 2015 @08:54PM (#8868740)
The scary part is how low that amount is. It's something like 1000 euro/day and 3000 euro/week. There's also a yearly value. It's been going down over time (by a lot, used to be 5000 euro/day only when the euro was introduced).
Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by HeyLaughingBoy on Saturday January 10, 2015 @04:55PM (#8868083)
Why do you believe "the US gov" (and which branch and agency, specifically) considers not having a Facebook account suspicious?
Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by Swizec on Saturday January 10, 2015 @04:23PM (#8867978)
> We seem to presume that anyone "off the books" is up to no good.

Off the books is no good by default. We have a phrase for it: tax evasion.

Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by newaccountfool on Saturday January 10, 2015 @04:27PM (#8867993)
Not necesarily, you can be paid in cash by your employer and this is compltely legal.
Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by Swizec on Saturday January 10, 2015 @04:57PM (#8868089)
Where I am from (Slovenia) it is completely illegal. In fact it is illegal for businesses to have cash expenses higher than a hundred euro or so. Very low by European standards, but all countries in EU have some sort of cash payment limit.

This is specifically to curb shadow economies and the grey market.

And the reason it's illegal to pay employees in cash is that the government needs a way of tracking "automatic" social security and tax payments. Where automatic means the employer pays them as the part of the paycheck that doesn't go to the employee.

Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by newaccountfool on Saturday January 10, 2015 @05:11PM (#8868134)
In the UK it's not illegal. You can pay them in cash in hand. Most builders and workmen that do work in your homes are paid cash in hand when they come round, this is common. They just need to declare it with the correct authorities themself.
Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by Swizec on Saturday January 10, 2015 @05:22PM (#8868159)
Yes, we do that here too. But you aren't their employee, you are their client.

Important difference.

Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by newaccountfool on Saturday January 10, 2015 @05:26PM (#8868167)
Sorry, you can still be paid cash in hand from most employers. Although most wont offer it. Pubs, bars, nightclubs lots of places you can be paid cash in hand. Just a lot of places choose not to do it as it's easier to manager there cash flows.
Re:Nordic countries point the way to cashless societies by DanBC on Saturday January 10, 2015 @05:14PM (#8868140)
That's not off the books then.