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Re:The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom by WalterBright on Friday January 09, 2015 @05:12AM (#8861554)
I don't understand how someone can master a subject yet be unable to answer written questions about it. In my anecdotal 16 years of schooling, I can't recall a single instance of it.
Re:The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom by TeMPOraL on Friday January 09, 2015 @07:21AM (#8861917)
For one, no one is mastering any subjects because they're taught to pass tests, not to understand. Teaching (and learning) to pass tests is less work for everyone, so schools tend to gravitate towards this.

Also, I've seen tests so dumb that the better you understand a subject, the worse your chances are - because questions and answer templates are stupid/made by people who didn't master the subject, and if you understand things well, you're likely to write something that doesn't match the answer template.

Re:The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom by learnstats2 on Friday January 09, 2015 @09:36AM (#8862356)
"Well, in truth the answer is X, but you should probably write Y, because the lecturer has a fundamental misconception of the subject that is evident from his lecture notes and exam papers dating back 10 years"

This gets impressively more common at undergraduate level.

Re:The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom by femto on Friday January 09, 2015 @07:04AM (#8861861)
It's not uncommon for gifted students to also suffer from a learning disability [1], which goes unrecognised, because it is masked by their intelligence. Unrecognised, such students can be written off as the "naughty" one. When taught, and assessed, to their strengths, such students will shine.

By way of example, typical advice is to concentrate on challenge, rather than quantity when teaching these students. Rather than giving them 50 problems of varying difficulty, just give them the 5 hardest ones. When assessing, rather than giving them lots of questions of varying difficulty (like a typical standard test), give them fewer questions, but make them require more thought.

As a parent, who helps in the classroom and observes quite a few children, I'd say that at least 10% of the children in my (typical) school would fall into the gifted category (by measured intelligence) and of those, probably more than half have some soft of learning difficulty. I'd also say that these children will be sold short by the standardised testing.

[1] http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10462.aspx

Re:The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom by learnstats2 on Friday January 09, 2015 @08:39AM (#8862145)
With respect, you already said you (personally) couldn't identify subject mastery any way other than written tests. So this comment is simply a tautology.

You don't believe you can identify mastery any other way, so you don't identify it any other way, and so you believe that testing is the only way to identify mastery. OK, but this circular logic is broken.

You could show subject mastery by creating anything, or performing anything, or explaining something verbally to someone else, or by earning money in that field. Writing answers to test questions is rarely a relevant skill and more often tests whether you were told about the exam's quirks rather than mastery of the subject.

Re:The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom by jgamman on Friday January 09, 2015 @06:15AM (#8861712)
but the converse isn't necessarily true ie, i can pass a test with memorised factoids without any understanding. i suspect that the mass delusion regarding 'tests' is conflating this assumption with the alternative which is far far more likely to actually happen. seriously, would the world fall apart if we let people take tests when they want/feel they have mastered the material and only accept a 90% pass? who's still terrified of the 9 times tables after they're 8 years old...?