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Re:Starvation Based Chemotherapy: A Novel Approach for Cance... by stoicy on Thursday January 08, 2015 @09:22AM (#8856441)
The "in < out" is as silly as saying that Bill Gates is rich because more money enters into his bank account than leaves from it. Both are tautologies and don't explain anything, and are not the root cause. It's always the root cause that really matters, not the side effects.

People get fat because they eat the wrong food, of which the effect of making them hungry and eat even more is only one of the many detrimental effects of unsuitable food for us or other animals.

I don't write this to change your mind, but hope that if someone else reads this, at least this might give them some encouragement, so that they might persist through to read about the issue themselves. It really is not easy to swim against the current.

Our bodies are far more than a simple caloric furnace. But luckily fatness, cancer and a myriad of other metabolic diseases resolve themselves once and for all without calorie counting when one starts to eat correctly. That is, plenty of animal fats, meat, eggs and fish, and very little carbohydrates of any kind. Large portions and infrequently. This makes and keeps you healthy, and you cannot overeat even if you try. Simple and elegant, which is always a prerequisite for any correct theory about nature.

Re:Starvation Based Chemotherapy: A Novel Approach for Cance... by JeremyNT on Thursday January 08, 2015 @11:15AM (#8857012)
> People get fat because they eat the wrong food, of which the effect of making them hungry and eat even more is only one of the many detrimental effects of unsuitable food for us or other animals.

Counter anecdote: I "got fat" eating slightly too much relatively healthy, mostly home prepared food over a long period of time. I lost weight by noting how much I ate and reducing intake while continuing to eat the same food. I know some people who eat only fast food and maintain a healthy weight because they have a good sense of how many calories they require.

It's probably true that some people eat diets that condition them to eat too much, but you can't simply claim something as broad as "people get fat because they eat the wrong food" and be done with it.

The parent's "in < out" generalization may be broad, but at least it's true.

Re:Starvation Based Chemotherapy: A Novel Approach for Cance... by leshow on Thursday January 08, 2015 @09:43AM (#8856534)
Almost everything you say in this post is completely wrong.

The body is not immune to the law of conservation of energy. If you think you can eat a caloric surplus of any food type and lose weight then you've resigned yourself to not think rationally.

Re:Starvation Based Chemotherapy: A Novel Approach for Cance... by stoicy on Thursday January 08, 2015 @09:52AM (#8856580)
I don't think so and I didn't say so above. I hope you read my text, not only the first sentence of it.
Re:Starvation Based Chemotherapy: A Novel Approach for Cance... by leshow on Thursday January 08, 2015 @03:19PM (#8858680)
"The "in < out" is as silly as saying that Bill Gates is rich because ..."

" Large portions and infrequently. This makes and keeps you healthy, and you cannot overeat even if you try. "

the fact is that you can 'overeat' with ANY meal timing frequency or food choice. caloric balance takes precedence over everything else, even macronutrient breakdown is secondary.

You suggest otherwise and you couldn't be further from the truth.

Re:Starvation Based Chemotherapy: A Novel Approach for Cance... by Lewton on Thursday January 08, 2015 @09:53AM (#8856584)
He did not say that you could eat a caloric surplus and lose weight.
Re:Starvation Based Chemotherapy: A Novel Approach for Cance... by leshow on Thursday January 08, 2015 @03:22PM (#8858707)
"The "in < out" is as silly as saying that Bill Gates is rich because ..."

" That is, plenty of animal fats, meat, eggs and fish, and very little carbohydrates of any kind. Large portions and infrequently. This makes and keeps you healthy, and you cannot overeat even if you try. "

Making the claim that it's impossible to overeat on specific foods is absolutely ridiculous.

Re:Starvation Based Chemotherapy: A Novel Approach for Cance... by Lewton on Thursday January 08, 2015 @09:38AM (#8856509)
Reasonable post up until the point where you claimed eating right cures cancer
Re:Starvation Based Chemotherapy: A Novel Approach for Cance... by stoicy on Thursday January 08, 2015 @09:56AM (#8856595)
Yes I know it sounds absurd.

That just happens to be the topic of the article we're commenting on here. It's also the topic of the book Tripping Over the Truth: The Metabolic Theory of Cancer by Travis Christofferson.

I'm not going to argue about the issue here, but I recommend that book for everyone. If nothing else, it's an interesting read for the history of cancer research and the development of chemotherapeutic drugs.

Re:Starvation Based Chemotherapy: A Novel Approach for Cance... by leshow on Thursday January 08, 2015 @09:44AM (#8856538)
There is nothing reasonable about it, it's completely wrong on every level.
Re:Starvation Based Chemotherapy: A Novel Approach for Cance... by Lewton on Thursday January 08, 2015 @09:49AM (#8856567)
What's so unreasonable about saying that different foods can satiate you differently? All calories are not created equally.
Re:Starvation Based Chemotherapy: A Novel Approach for Cance... by leshow on Thursday January 08, 2015 @03:08PM (#8858613)
That's not what the post said,

"This makes and keeps you healthy, and you cannot overeat even if you try. "

implies that you can make food choices which prevent you from gaining weight, regardless of quantity.