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Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by ax0n on Friday October 16, 2009 @06:43AM (#885126)
Physical access can almost always be leveraged to full system access.
Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by idlewords on Friday October 16, 2009 @06:49AM (#885132)
What is of interest here is the small window of time required. You pretty much have to be in constant possession of your laptop (or a USB key that you religiously use to verify your boot record) in order to have any confidence that it has not been compromised.
Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by tptacek on Friday October 16, 2009 @09:17AM (#885291)
The reality is, nobody is going to physically attack your laptop (just don't bring your work machine to Black Hat). But there is an unacceptably high probability that your laptop will get stolen; for instance, you will often leave it in your car, where anyone with a cinderblock can get it in under a minute.

TrueCrypt is about the guy with the cinderblock, not about stopping Joanna Rutkowska from installing a keylogger.

Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by idlewords on Friday October 16, 2009 @09:28AM (#885313)
Cinderblock is so unwieldy! I'm more of a broken spark plug man:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUgsi9gQBeA

Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by TrevorJ on Friday October 16, 2009 @11:54AM (#885598)
With the current implementation of this hack, you pretty much have to steal the machine once the passcode is sniffed out anyway.
Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by ax0n on Friday October 16, 2009 @08:52AM (#885252)
For almost any given scenario to protect a system (even the one you mentioned), there's still likely to be a way to circumvent it if you can surreptitiously tinker with the machine for 30 minutes. This is a minuscule subset of the general rule: There is no such thing as perfect security.
Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by timf on Friday October 16, 2009 @07:16AM (#885154)
That is the premise you should start with IMO; which is why this is not interesting. Absolutely you need to avoid releasing physical control of your machine.
Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by cellis on Friday October 16, 2009 @08:25AM (#885222)
Just keep it in a lock case. This solves the problem of Evil Maids, but not of Evil Maids-financed-by-the-NSA-with-lockpickers. I have to imagine that if those types of people were after your encrypted info,you'd know and you'd probably keep it handcuffed to your wrist.
Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by timf on Friday October 16, 2009 @05:39PM (#886234)
I usually just keep my data on a USB key and then buy a brand new laptop from a random store every time I want to access it.
Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by vincent_vega on Sunday October 18, 2009 @03:01AM (#888105)
Oh rly?
Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by schnalle on Friday October 16, 2009 @12:40PM (#885688)
please, think of james bond! how could he drink a martini gracefully when a suitcase is chained to his hand?
Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by borism on Friday October 16, 2009 @06:26PM (#886308)
james gracefully holds cocktail glass with both hands? now if he had other hand around woman's waist, that I would understand :)
Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by ube on Friday October 16, 2009 @12:36PM (#885682)
This is the crux of the problem. Physical (and network) access can always break any security because you have a million vectors of attack - physical hardware, software, etc.. . And how secure is your laptop when its in your possession? As laptops become smaller (i.e. netbooks) they'll be as easily stolen as one's wallet.

Frankly, most people's data is really not that important and the cinderblock attack is what truecrypt and similar crypto systems prevent. Every time you see a news item about "a million social security numbers have been compromised " - its always due to the cinderblock attack.

The "only" way to secure your data is to put your computer it in a vault (unplugged from AC outlet and no network access) with multiple physical security and surrounded by people with guns. If your data is that important and you can afford this sort of security...then the evil maid attack is irrelevant.

Re:Evil Maid goes after TrueCrypt by pyre on Friday October 16, 2009 @07:35PM (#886367)
> As laptops become smaller (i.e. netbooks) they'll be as easily stolen as one's wallet.

On the flipside it's easier to keep a netbook always on your possession than it is even a 12" laptop. So yea, smaller computing devices could be 'easier to pick-pocket' or it could mean 'harder to separate from the user.'