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Re:A Generation Lost in the Bazaar (2012) by innguest on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @04:04PM (#8847121)
Common Lisp, C and C++ did not contribute to the field in the enormous way that Scheme, Haskell and Smalltalk did. They're sheeple languages (made with the worker in mind) to control employees, and not languages to empower and liberate the programmer (like Forth, another great example of an experimental language by Chuck Moore).

My point stands.

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Re:A Generation Lost in the Bazaar (2012) by lispm on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @07:36PM (#8848133)
> They're sheeple languages (made with the worker in mind) to control employees,

Total nonsense.

> and not languages to empower and liberate the programmer

Also nonsense.

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Re:A Generation Lost in the Bazaar (2012) by innguest on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:38AM (#8851479)
If you want to refute you will have to do better than just show up; you could start by explaining why do we have so many shops using Java and .Net and now Rails (which makes it possible for Ruby programmers to be fungible for managers) and so few using Scheme and Smalltalk etc.

Ask your manager why you can't switch to a better language. The answer is it's harder to find talent for it. Bingo.

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Re:A Generation Lost in the Bazaar (2012) by sedachv on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @06:05PM (#8853937)
> Ask your manager why you can't switch to a better language. The answer is it's harder to find talent for it.

That's a really good point.

IDK if I would say that about Scheme though. There are a lot more people around that know Scheme than know Common Lisp. I learned to program Lisp starting with Scheme; going back to Scheme from Common Lisp feels really disempowering.

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