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Re:India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archi... by mullingitover on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @02:10PM (#8820633)
Germany, Japan, the UK and the US (among others) all did things in WWII that count as terrorism, and no, the term isn't useless. The textbook definition, "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims" is exactly what was happening in the war, although I would add the caveat that it's violence and intimidation against civilians. Using violence and intimidation against enemy troops is just regular warfare.
Re:India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archi... by ufmace on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @05:43PM (#8821429)
I don't know where you got that textbook definition, but it sounds useless to me. What violence and intimidation is not done in the pursuit of political aims, aside from low-level street crime? Even adding the qualifier against civilians doesn't seem to help much, as civilians not being deliberately targeted is very much the exception in warfare historically.

My definition is "Violence and intimidation, conducted by an organization not directly under the control of a national government, targeted deliberately at civilians, for a political purpose". Much of what is popularly referred to as terrorism is closer to guerrilla warfare.

I don't entirely agree with the linked post above, but I would also not call ISIS a terrorist organization. They may be major-league assholes who need to be dealt with somehow, but they're more of a statelet attempting to practice regular warfare, including controlling a specific territory, establishing their own political system, etc.

Re:India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archi... by neilcrj on Thursday January 01, 2015 @02:09AM (#8822369)
The only difference between your definition and that of the parent is that you explicitly deny the existence of state terrorism, and I don't think that is an improvement.

I think we would all be better off separating terrorism (a tactic) from identity (organization/state). Then we could categorize militant groups as whatever you want: state, statelet, militia, guerrilla force, freedom fighters, caliphate, NGO or whatever and separately discuss their tactics with respect to whether they commit acts of terrorism.

Re:India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archi... by ufmace on Thursday January 01, 2015 @05:37PM (#8824608)
By my definition, violence carried out by the state is not terrorism because it's a different tactic.

The message sent by terrorist actions is that your state is illegitimate because it cannot protect you from our tiny little group. It makes no sense for the state to send this message to its own citizens - it's goal is the opposite, by definition. If a state is directly trying to send the message to citizens of a foreign state that their state can't protect them from you, that's ordinary warfare.

Re:India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archi... by xerophyte12932 on Thursday January 01, 2015 @01:28AM (#8822322)
> Violence and intimidation, conducted by an organization not directly under the control of a national government, targeted deliberately at civilians, for a political purpose

I kinda like this as this separates attacks by these militants on military bases as "guerrilla warfare".

But what do you call when the attack is "targeted" at an armed force but with complete disregard to high number of civilian casualties? Examples: 1) Bombing a marketplace or mosque or any public place just because their might be SOME people or the opposing force there (apparently a lot of suicide bombings use this justification) 2) Missile strike on a UN school just because u suspect there are some members of the opposing forces hiding there (israel vs Hammas) 3) Drone strikes on villages to eradicate militants (with considerably high civilian casualties). (we all know who does this)

Re:India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archi... by ufmace on Thursday January 01, 2015 @05:23PM (#8824561)
I think that the name of the tactic is dependant on the intent of the attack, rather than the results. This does admittedly get dicey at times.

If the intent of the attack is direct attrition against an enemy force and supporting infrastructure, then it's guerilla warfare, even if most of the victims are civilians due to poor planning, bad information, etc. This may get particularly tricky in the case of suicide bombings in Israel - since virtually the entire country is part of the reserves, you could make the argument that any attack is an attack against the military infrastructure. I'd say that for it to be legitimate guerilla warfare, there must be at least a vaguely plausible plan for success. In the case of suicide bombings in Israel, they would then have to have a plan of killing the entire population of the country as a way of ending the fight, and their tactics would have to be a plausible way to carry that out. I don't think it fits that definition, so that would make it terrorism.

2 and 3 are ordinary warfare IMO, because they are both done by states and have the intent of attacking enemy forces. They may or may not be done with flimsy information, and the state in question and the militant group they are fighting against may both be in violation of assorted laws of war under various legal systems, but it's still conventional warfare.

Re:India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archi... by SixSigma on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @02:35PM (#8820731)
So beheading Lee Rigby on the streets of the UK was regular warfare?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby

Re:India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archi... by thomasfoster96 on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @06:41PM (#8821602)
I think the attackers used that exact defense during legal proceedings.
Re:India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archi... by SixSigma on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @07:22PM (#8821711)
I agree with them tbh. but that means they should have been shot on the spot instead of arrested.

I don't mean I agree with their cause but I am surprised attacks on service men & women don't happen more on their home soil which, from one perspective, is behind enemy lines.

Re:India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archi... by Houshalter on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @04:20PM (#8821140)
When most people say "terrorism", they are referring to a very specific thing, not "warfare and violence in general". You've made the word useless, just so that you can use it's connotations where they don't belong. Connotations which wouldn't exist if it was really defined that way.