Re:On Immigration, Engineers Simply Don’t Trust VCs
by fw109 on Sunday December 28, 2014 @02:37AM
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You're right, I'm luckier than several billions of people in the world. But my point is simply this: the fact that I wasn't born in the US was not in my control. If I want to move here, some people want me here, and it is in my control to do so, I just feel that I have the right to do so.
As far as the last few lines in my comment go: I was expressing bitterness at the fact that we foreign workers are being dismissed as worthless talent-less job-stealers. In my comment I wanted to be dismissive of those who are dismissive of me. I am not really so in real life, as I know that the ones being so vile here are not like that in person, because everyone is more complicated than that.
Re:On Immigration, Engineers Simply Don’t Trust VCs
by pm24601 on Sunday December 28, 2014 @03:05AM
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We are not expressing bitterness at foreign workers - we are expressing the reality of 30+ years of US jobs being exported. Good paying manufacturing jobs in the Midwest. Many, many towns are now empty poor shells inhabited by once middle class families who are now poor because their jobs were exported to foreign countries.
And now Americans are supposed to be willing to give up their jobs even within the U.S.?
Maybe if the 1%ers hadn't been so busy destroying the American middle class, you would be welcomed more generously.
You're more than welcome to cut your upcoming now-1st-world salary that you boast about and give most of it to a third-world charity or something. Because otherwise, you're also saying "fuck the rest of the world". When you understand why you won't do that, then you'll understand why others won't as well. No, seriously, you can't just ask others to do good, you have to do good yourself as well. Until then, all you're saying is that you expect others to take a hit in their advantage so that your opinions on what matters are satisfied. Without even considering that maybe they're doing what they think matters already, and all you're really complaining about is that it's not the same as yours.
Edit. I'd like to add something about your "birth-lottery" comment.
>"I lost the lottery of birth, and was born to lower middle class parents in a third world country."
I don't agree at all. If anything, you WON the "lottery" over probably billions of other people, ones that are born into families that do not support their offspring as much as it sounds like yours did to you. You may not be lucky enough to be born in a fancy 1st world country, but that's just entirely besides the point because you're succeeding, despite your claim that you lost some imaginary lottery.