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Re:Let the Other 95% of Great Programmers In by Iftheshoefits on Friday December 26, 2014 @08:24PM (#8801274)
The best, strongest interpretation of PG's essay merits far less charity than even exists in this thread. There is barely anything of substance in the whole piece, and the parts that are substantive are just so far out of line with the empirical data we have regarding this issue as to be baffling coming from somebody with the cache of PG. If I were not being "charitable" I'd use words like "peurile," "ignorant," "transparent demagoguery," and "thoroughly irrational." In the interest of being charitable, I'd simply describe the essay as being merely a master work on how to write a series of unsubstantiated assertions interleaved with assertions that have already been thoroughly debunked.

This doesn't even touch on the incredibly un-"charitable" opening to PG's essay, on which he explicitly casts opponents or those who might disagree with him as being anti-immigrant. There is no way to "charitably" interpret that sentiment in a positive way. It is purely negative and entirely unworthy of a person claiming to be interested in honest intellectual discussion.

Re:Let the Other 95% of Great Programmers In by argonaut on Friday December 26, 2014 @09:36PM (#8801440)
I think you are proving dang's point. Instead of challenging assumptions and conclusions, all you've done is call the post "peurile", "irrational", etc.

I didn't particularly like the use of "anti-immigration people," but there is certainly a way to charitably interpret it. You would interpret it as just so - a phrase he's using to refer to people opposing loosened immigration policies, which unintentionally is a poor choice of words. Rather than uncharitably interpreting it as an an intentional attempt at putting down these people.

Re:Let the Other 95% of Great Programmers In by AndrewKemendo on Friday December 26, 2014 @09:09PM (#8801364)
so far out of line with the empirical data we have regarding this issue

What is that empirical data? I'm curious, not being snide.

Re:Let the Other 95% of Great Programmers In by Xatter on Saturday December 27, 2014 @07:51AM (#8802408)
Since you've asked here's some actual data on the issue at question

Some raw data http://www.epi.org/publication/bp359-guestworkers-high-skill...

A good analysis of several data sets with links to raw data http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-i...

Re:Let the Other 95% of Great Programmers In by davidw on Saturday December 27, 2014 @02:23AM (#8801966)
> What is that empirical data? I'm curious, not being snide.

Nearly everything I've read indicates that immigration doesn't really hurt wages, except perhaps those of recent immigrants.