Problems With the Python 3 Ecosystem

Re:Problems With the Python 3 Ecosystem by xj9 on Tuesday December 23, 2014 @11:50PM (#8791588)

You could solve that problem by not using Ubuntu: SmartOS, Debian, and OS X all have perfectly functional Python 3 packages. (as I'm sure many distributions and operating systems do)

This has very little to do with Python 3.

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Re:Problems With the Python 3 Ecosystem by imrehg on Wednesday December 24, 2014 @12:17AM (#8791656)

Archlinux defaults to python3 (the default python is just a symlink), and most of the things are pretty good, though there are plenty of python2 related problems, and problems because of the devs patching the upstream distro too much...

All in all it's quite okay, and definitely on the right path.

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Re:Problems With the Python 3 Ecosystem by jpulec on Tuesday December 23, 2014 @11:57PM (#8791602)

Ubuntu is one the most deployed server distributions of linux, and one of the most battle tested. While this post isn't meant to criticize python 3 (I think the language is perfectly fine as is), it's meant to criticize the ecosystem, where one of the most deployed distributions doesn't work.

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Re:Problems With the Python 3 Ecosystem by xj9 on Wednesday December 24, 2014 @12:22AM (#8791672)

Yes, but Debian is also very widely deployed and doesn't ship with a broken Python 3 package. I'm just pointing out that your issue is specifically related to Ubuntu. You'd be better off calling your article: Ubuntu is Not A Suitable Platform for Python 3 Development, or something along those lines.

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Re:Problems With the Python 3 Ecosystem by jpulec on Wednesday December 24, 2014 @12:28AM (#8791682)

Actually, this exact issue was also an issue in Debian. The bug reports can be found further down in an answer to the same stackoverflow question. It may now be fixed, I'm not sure.

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Re:Problems With the Python 3 Ecosystem by chomp on Wednesday December 24, 2014 @12:39AM (#8791723)

The issue linked was against jessie/sid. Debian users expect broken things outside of stable.

The Ubuntu release in question was the LTS Ubuntu.

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Re:Problems With the Python 3 Ecosystem by chomp on Wednesday December 24, 2014 @12:36AM (#8791704)

CentOS is arguably the most deployed server distribution of Linux, and it (RH) ships a perfectly fine python3 via SCL.

Ubuntu is a snapshot of Debian unstable, and it's not surprising that shipping cutting edge packages results in a few that are broken.

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Re:Problems With the Python 3 Ecosystem by wodenokoto on Wednesday December 24, 2014 @07:41AM (#8792624)

>This has very little to do with Python 3.

Which is the point of the article and P3's biggest problem: All the things surrounding it.

The people behind Python seems desperate to push everybody to Python 3, mostly by telling people how much better Python 3 is than Python 2. But the thing is, that doesn't matter when the environment surrounding Python 3 is considerably worse than for Python 2.

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Re:Problems With the Python 3 Ecosystem by afarrell on Wednesday December 24, 2014 @01:53AM (#8791875)

If you ask me to switch OSes in order to do something, there has to be a very strong value proposition to get me to risk the time.

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Re:Problems With the Python 3 Ecosystem by nashequilibrium on Wednesday December 24, 2014 @12:01AM (#8791610)

Using Anaconda solved all this for me.

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