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Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by nkohari on Sunday October 11, 2009 @06:43PM (#875444)
Wow. Your website is a very blatant ripoff of Basecamp's design. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but yours is a little over the line.
Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by angusdavis on Sunday October 11, 2009 @07:28PM (#875525)
Yeah, it means the guy is smart and is borrowing strength from what he knows works. 37 Signals published their conversion rates from the highrise landing page for a reason. Goal at this stage is to see if people will sign up for the concept. Once he proves that out (i.e. customer development), I'm sure he'll invest in some of his own graphic identity, logo selection, color schemes, etc.
Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by nkohari on Sunday October 11, 2009 @07:38PM (#875544)
So you're saying that, until I have the time to invest in my own branding, I can just use the Coke logo instead?
Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by shpxnvz on Sunday October 11, 2009 @08:08PM (#875592)
No, he's saying you can imitate a design that is not protected by trademark; quite unlike the Coke logo.

They do declare copyright on the design, but that doesn't protect against designs that are merely similar.

Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by angusdavis on Sunday October 11, 2009 @09:30PM (#875689)
Um, it's called a "design pattern" for a reason.

For more interesting discussions about where to draw the line on imitating others, you may want to check out a little company called Zynga.

Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by zackattack on Sunday October 11, 2009 @08:32PM (#875623)
You got it. I'm reading steve blank's book (slowly...it's tough) and trying to formulate my own unique way of applying it to web applications. This reminds me: I'm gonna go spend an hour reading.
Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by zaidf on Sunday October 11, 2009 @07:04PM (#875483)
I noticed your company's site has a header too. It's just not colored black. There is not much difference between your site and CustomerFind in that sense.

In fact, your pricing page(http://agilezen.com/pricing) is clearly inspired by basecamp. Absolutely nothing wrong with it(I don't think it is in ripoff category). But for someone to have such stringent standards when evaluating others, it's odd.

Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by nkohari on Sunday October 11, 2009 @07:19PM (#875507)
Sure, our pricing page is inspired by Basecamp... and practically every other SaaS offering out there. As I said in another comment, everyone (including myself) takes inspiration from other designs, but there's a difference between taking inspiration and taking a stylesheet.
Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by zaidf on Sunday October 11, 2009 @07:23PM (#875517)
taking a stylesheet

Can you elaborate? That is a pretty huge accusation.

Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by nkohari on Sunday October 11, 2009 @07:37PM (#875538)
I'm not accusing the OP of anything. I was just pointing out that I took one look at the website and immediately recognized it as heavily inspired by Basecamp's design. That's all.

The colors and font of the header are identical, including the use of a single green link. The fonts used in the headers don't match the logo or the buttons, and have altered kerning just like on Basecamp's site.

I honestly couldn't give a shit either way. The OP asked for feedback, and I figured it was better he heard it from me than from 37signals' lawyers.

Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by shpxnvz on Sunday October 11, 2009 @08:18PM (#875607)
The OP asked for feedback, and I figured it was better he heard it from me than from 37signals' lawyers.

It doesn't look like 37 signals has trademarked that particular color scheme or design, and I don't see any evidence that they own or have an exclusive license to the font in question; so there really seems to be no legal concern here at all.

Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by swombat on Sunday October 11, 2009 @06:49PM (#875453)
I have to agree, it's a bit overly similar (mostly because of the top bar). However, I trust that Zack will be going back to that design and updating it over the next few days. A design is a pretty easy thing to change, and I don't see anything morally wrong with using someone else's design as a starting point.
Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by zaidf on Sunday October 11, 2009 @06:48PM (#875452)
I downvoted you because I did not think it is a "blatant ripoff".
Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by nkohari on Sunday October 11, 2009 @06:50PM (#875461)
Go look at http://basecamphq.com/ again. The layout, fonts, and styling are all clearly pulled from the marketing website.
Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by kyro on Sunday October 11, 2009 @06:56PM (#875467)
I'm sure he used their design as a template to get something somewhat presentable for the time being and that once he has some more time and traction, he'll give the design a bit more attention. Let's relax a bit and stop making this out to be some corporate scandal.
Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by nkohari on Sunday October 11, 2009 @07:06PM (#875486)
I wasn't saying it's a corporate scandal or that the creator was a bad person. The problem is that 37signals didn't offer their design as a template for re-use.

Everyone uses other designs as inspiration (myself included), I'm just saying you should put some distance between yourself and the original inspiration before showing it to others.

Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by jacquesm on Sunday October 11, 2009 @08:29PM (#875620)
agreed, it's definitely cloned.

The simplest would be to ask if it is ok. I don't think they'd have a problem with it.

Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by zaidf on Sunday October 11, 2009 @06:59PM (#875473)
I just see a teeeny-bit of inspiration. Remove the top black bar and it will be hard to tell that he was even inspired by basecamp. Sorry but you are way off on your judgement for this one. Of course, IMO.
Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by nkohari on Sunday October 11, 2009 @06:46PM (#875449)
Why in the world would my comment get down-voted? The layout and design elements are practically identical.
Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by pclark on Sunday October 11, 2009 @06:49PM (#875454)
did you look at http://basecamphq.com ?

The only similarity is the top header black bar.

Re:Ask HN: Please review my new startup. [Free account for H... by rokhayakebe on Sunday October 11, 2009 @07:07PM (#875488)
I did not downvote you. But I suspect its the tone in your feedback. Maybe you could have asked "Why did you choose to have a BC-like design?" then...