CoreOS got a dedicated meeting the previous week. I pitched all this to them in person and seemed to get a cautiously optimistic response with agreement to follow-up soon. The next day, they announced rocket without warning.

I'm happy to spend as much time as needed with everyone to build a great ecosystem together. But if someone is not interested, they're not interested. I can't force them.

Oo so that's why you're so pissed. ah well

Doesn't excuse my initial knee-jerk reaction... Anyway, let's move on and focus on building cool stuff now :)

Maybe because CoreOS was not present at the conference ... There were also no CoreOS talks, and that had nothing to do with Rocket, since the talks have been selected long ago.

Maybe because they're going their own direction with containers now https://coreos.com/blog/rocket/

edit: and because they disagree with docker's direction. Potentially, CoreOS left themselves out of the conversation

Isn't their disagreeing just another reason to have them there? Their feud is not helping either side.

There's a plethora of quotes and cliches about surrounding yourself with only like-minded individuals and being in an echo chamber.

I do believe CoreOS is likely one of the largest (the largets?) adopter of Docker, and their entire platform is built around Docker. Even with Rocket, they've stated they have no immediate plans to make CoreOS incompatible with Docker.

The relationship between CoreOS and Docker isn't exactly warm at the moment: https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/9538#issuecomment-65...

The hate seems to be mostly going one way.

I don't think hate is the right term. Same goes for "one way", since it's genuinely not clear to me which way that is.

> unless the community starts calling out their BS

? not sure what shykes is implying here.

> 3-day old unfinished spec

Actually it's been in the git repo for 13 days, been public for 8 days, and has been getting developed since January 2014 (Docker is not even twice as old).

> no working implementation

Actually, Rocket is the implementation, ACI is the spec.

> a controversial background

How so? Because Docker disagrees with it so it's controversial?

> sponsored by a small venture-backed company

I think shykes is forgetting Docker just raised an excess of $40 million on a $400 million evaluation.

> with questionable motives

Again not sure what shykes implies here... Docker is a for-profit commercial vendor just the same.

The language and inaccuracies in shykes comment on github are shocking to say the least. Seems rather uni-directional "mud slinging", as shykes has previously put it[1]...

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8683705

Well, all of that is just the public view (and was pretty knee-jerk at that). Who knows what either company really thinks of the other... CoreOS was just smart enough not to engage publicly.

this began as a chat between me and solomon, and I then invited everyone at dockercon who was implementing network/extension related stuff. this all happened over a few hours... so wasn't possible to invite folks to hop on a plane from SFO at that point.