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Re:Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape a... by adrianN on Monday December 08, 2014 @10:21AM (#8716828)
Plenty of countries don't have guns in every purse without rampant rapists. I think there are different solutions to the problem, like promoting a culture where women are equal.
Re:Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape a... by yummyfajitas on Monday December 08, 2014 @10:28AM (#8716893)
Which do you think will reduce rape right now? A bunch of rapists showing up at hospitals with holes in them, or some sort of education campaign to change the culture?

If things can get better in 10 years that's great. I'd also like the women I care about to be safe tomorrow. A few dead rapists is a small price to pay for that.

Re:Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape a... by tomp on Monday December 08, 2014 @10:34AM (#8716919)
The only problem with your solution is that it would very likely increase the rate of murder, probably much more than it would decrease the rate of rape. (At least in EU and other countries where weapons are generally banned.)
Re:Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape a... by adrianN on Monday December 08, 2014 @10:32AM (#8716900)
If you want to reduce rape right now, you should start by putting more effort into getting rapists in jail. Currently three fourths of the rapists get away scot free. Get the police to do their job, don't force everybody to be their own police.
Re:Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape a... by yummyfajitas on Monday December 08, 2014 @10:53AM (#8717038)
Getting the police to do their job would be great. How do you do it? Before answering that, ask yourself "why aren't they currently doing it?"

Currently three fourths of the rapists get away scot free.

Unless I'm failing to understand something, this statistic is almost unknowable. Can you explain?

Re:Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape a... by anigbrowl on Monday December 08, 2014 @03:34PM (#8718984)
We have many jurisdictions in the US where open or concealed carry is legal, and even someone with an unlicenseed gun would likely face only a minimal sentence on a weapons charge if it were used for self-protection in a violent confrontation. While Google does turn up some reports of women shooting would-be rapists, it doesn't seem to be that common. We could generalize fromt hat to observe that we still have other forms of crime like mugging, assault, etc. despite the widespread availability of guns, and at considerably higher rates than many other developed countries.

Lastly, you only seem to be considering the sudden-assault-by-stranger sort of rapes, whereas many rapes (and other crimes) are committed by someone who has established a degree of trust, either by default (as a relative or some other social context) or by design (as in date rape or some sort of 'long con' predatory behavior).

The problem with your approach is that it can be used to sideline people who choose not to carry weapons, as well as normalizing the carrying of weapons in every context - 'shouldn't woman take guns with them into the shower, just in case? Isn't it a bit irresponsible to leave oneself defenseless in the shower, where it may be hard to hear someone break into the house?'

One could equally suggest that every woman get herself a large dog. People are extremely respectful of personal space if you step out with a German Shepherd; my neighbor observes that she feels quite safe taking a nap at a park or beach in the company of her dogs. But just because anyone could do this doesn't mean everyone should do this.

Re:Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape a... by DasIch on Monday December 08, 2014 @01:58PM (#8718295)
There is but a small problem, nothing prevents any soon-to-be rapists from getting guns themselves.
Re:Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape a... by DanBC on Monday December 08, 2014 @12:52PM (#8717825)
Nice victim blaming - they got raped because they didn't want to shoot someone.
Re:Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape a... by yummyfajitas on Monday December 08, 2014 @01:01PM (#8717903)
Singling me out for nonsensical comments based on a wild misreading of my posts has reached the point of silliness. Why do you bother?
Re:Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape a... by DanBC on Monday December 08, 2014 @01:31PM (#8718104)
Your suggestion - that women should carry guns - ignores the society that doesn't condemn rape; the courts that don't convict rapists; and the police who don't arrest rapists.

It ignores the fact that people have to be 21 to get a gun and gun ownership is not guaranteed.

You migt not think you're blaming the victims but here tou definitely are. You are saying that women who don't carry guns are to blame for being raped, and for other women being raped. Did you realise that when you wrote it? Is this an example of you "asking difficult questions"?

Re:Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape a... by yummyfajitas on Monday December 08, 2014 @01:48PM (#8718217)
...ignores the society that doesn't condemn rape; the courts that don't convict rapists; and the police who don't arrest rapists... ignores the fact that...gun ownership is not guaranteed.

You got me. If I didn't ignore those things I probably would have written this:

"Which do you think will reduce rape right now?...change the culture?"

"Getting the police to do their job would be great. How do you do it?"

"...a Beretta in every purse is the only real solution, but it's also a solution that the government will never support. Only rich people and jewelry stores deserve to be protected by guns."

You are saying that women who don't carry guns are to blame for being raped...Did you realise that when you wrote it?

I didn't realize I was sending secret messages that can only be decoded by you, no.

Re:Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape a... by benaiah on Monday December 08, 2014 @05:16PM (#8719589)
Suggesting an action to mitigate the failings of society is not the same as blaming those societal failings on women. If someone organizes a group of women to try to pass better rape laws, are they blaming the victims for not lobbying enough? Why is it that suggesting anything to help until the situation gets fixed makes everyone assume you don't want the situation fixed?

I'm not defending or attacking his position, I just think these hair-trigger accusations of victim-blaming are harming your cause far more than they're helping, since they make people tune out actual victim-blaming. Regardless of the merit of his suggestion, its silly to say he's blaming the victim when he's not, and clearly didn't intend to. It would be perfectly acceptable to actually argue against his statement, but this "anything that isn't focussed solely on changing society is victim-blaming" is getting ridiculous, and trivializes the disturbing reality of actual victim-blaming. (for example, the quote I read the other day which said "something like that doesn't just happen, she must have done something to get herself in that kind of situation").

As a disclaimer: I don't think his suggestion is a realistic solution on a widespread basis, though it may be helpful in individual cases. Just because someone might suggest, for example, that their sister carry a gun if she goes to the red-light district at night, doesn't mean they're going to blame her if she doesn't carry and gets raped.