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Re:Get Out of My Building by MaysonL on Thursday October 08, 2009 @05:56PM (#870063)
And I bet that you would call a Zen master hitting a novice over the head with his staff [and provoking him into an enlightened state] assault and battery. It's obviously a method which can be overused and abused, but used wisely on appropriate subjects, can produce incredible learning, as it did in this case.
Re:Get Out of My Building by dschobel on Thursday October 08, 2009 @06:35PM (#870146)
That's complete, and you'll have to pardon my language, bullshit. If you want to find deep meaning in a guy's lost temper, that's fine and your prerogative.

If I sat at the foot of some exalted spiritual man for long enough seeking meaning, I too would probably start finding meaning in his every act. It's a completely self-fulfilling prophecy.

That's great that the author learned a life lesson by being summarily embarrassed in a room of his peers. But realize that is totally a function of how he chose to process it, and not of some great teaching technique of the CEO.

Re:Get Out of My Building by locopati on Friday October 09, 2009 @01:53AM (#870717)
A great teacher understands what will trigger progress in one person and what will trigger progress in another. Some people need a soft touch, some people need a kick in the ass.

Perhaps the CEO recognized that this would work in this case. For another person, perhaps another technique would have been tried. Regarding the story here, this last paragraph is all speculation, of course. We don't know how the CEO would've handled a different person. I'm really just addressing your point about teaching technique.

Re:Get Out of My Building by igorhvr on Friday October 09, 2009 @02:30PM (#872138)
What does "totally" accomplish in the sentence above? Am I the only one that finds the very frequent abuse of this word annoying?
Re:Get Out of My Building by randallsquared on Thursday October 08, 2009 @06:10PM (#870093)
and provoking him into an enlightened state

I'm unconvinced that this actually happens, so I, at least, would expect that it's very, very rare to use verbal or physical abuse in a way that produces enlightenment of any sort. Discipline, I would understand. Enlightenment or understanding? Doubtful.

Re:Get Out of My Building by arohner on Thursday October 08, 2009 @06:58PM (#870185)
Speaking as student in kung fu of 10 years and a teacher for 5, I can say this does happen, and it does work. When sparring, I had several instructors find a weakness in me, and exploit that weakness until it went way.

They never abused me, but as a hotshot 17 year old, was humbling to have my ass handed to me by an overweight, half blind 50 year old man.

Re:Get Out of My Building by randallsquared on Thursday October 08, 2009 @07:22PM (#870228)
I would say that's a result of practice, rather than enlightenment.
Re:Get Out of My Building by arohner on Friday October 09, 2009 @12:52AM (#870665)
Depends on the situation. Often, you aren't aware of the flaws until the teacher points them out, and sometimes insight comes very quickly.
Re:Get Out of My Building by cookiecaper on Thursday October 08, 2009 @07:48PM (#870260)
Difficulty and adversity are frequently conduits to enlightenment if the recipient will forgo bitterness and seek to be taught by his experiences.