Don't panic and keep forking Debian

Re:Don't panic and keep forking Debian by gone35 on Friday November 28, 2014 @11:55PM (#8673109)

But there are other objections from people who think systemd is too big in scope or too controlling or focussed on one technology or another or... some kind of conspiratorial trap or something (http://boycottsystemd.org). I think these arguments are a little hyperbolic since systemd isn't actually a single monolithic system and is really an overarching project to update a lot of major system utilities.

Well, with roadmaps like this[1], one wonders if some of the criticism is really that hyperbolic or unjustified...

[1] http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf

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Re:Don't panic and keep forking Debian by digi_owl on Saturday November 29, 2014 @10:11AM (#8673894)

Sadly it drags the whole debate into an argument over semantics. Yes, it is not monolithic in the sense of one binary running everything. But at the same time everything ties back to systemd running as init.

This in effect makes everything under the systemd umbrella tightly coupled. Can i run journald on its own, or logind, or resolved, networkd? As long as the answer is no, they mays well be one big blob.

And it is presented as such as well from a source point of view.

http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/

There is no separate tarball for udev, journald, logind, or any of the other *d's that make up the systemd project.

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Re:Don't panic and keep forking Debian by the_why_of_y on Sunday November 30, 2014 @07:07AM (#8676632)

> As long as the answer is no, they mays well be one big blob.

So to you there is no difference between sendmail and postfix, they are both equally monolithic?

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Re:Don't panic and keep forking Debian by digi_owl on Sunday November 30, 2014 @08:24AM (#8676769)

If i just need a small portion but has to download and run more, then yes.

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