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Re:God's Lonely Programmer by anigbrowl on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @03:13PM (#8659443)
That's a problem in the same way that Tourette's Syndrome often creates employment problems (some people with TS have an uncontrollable urge to swear a lot, a problem known as coprolalia - this can make it hard to get served as a customer in a store, never mind hold down a job).

You gotta treat God as entertainment, mostly. He's not prophetic in this. I caution against latching onto any particular thing He says. If I am not doing offerings, He says nonsense.

Re:God's Lonely Programmer by zorpner on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @06:04PM (#8660328)
For the curious, here's a spectacular article on the subjective experience of having Tourette's: http://www.xojane.com/healthy/i-have-tourette-syndrome-and-c...
Re:God's Lonely Programmer by agumonkey on Wednesday November 26, 2014 @03:31AM (#8661543)
I was about to ask this on reddit, Tourette is very awkward, borderline difficult, to witness (had a few classmates suffering it) because it's really tense and chaotic, but at the same time the randomness of it make it easily dismissible on the emotional side because it's not necessarily coherent. On the other side, comments that Terry can throw are so logical, they do pop randomly, disrupting his trail of thoughts, but it's far from bursts of slang and F-word, it means something. I can't wrap my head around that.
Re:God's Lonely Programmer by derefr on Wednesday November 26, 2014 @07:54PM (#8665461)
Imagine the same random bubbling up of thought, but instead of appearing as a compulsion, it appears as a really clever idea that will change the world (e.g. a higher-level goal that will generate its own sub-goals that you then seek to achieve, etc.) Thinking about, and planning on how to execute, the idea suddenly produces a dopamine response (a feeling of passionate motivation), in the same way that e.g. planning how to get to a casino when you're addicted to gambling produces a dopamine response.

At some point, the artificial pin of the idea as "really clever" and "world-changing" goes away—but you might not even notice, if you're way down in the subgoal stack trying to solve a small part of (what you see as) the problem.

You have to actually pop back up and re-evaluate whether you still have confidence that the thing you think is a good idea, still is, before you notice that the idea was never that good in the first place and what were you even thinking.

Re:God's Lonely Programmer by jcromartie on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @03:40PM (#8659581)
Coprolalia: Latin for "poop talk"
Re:God's Lonely Programmer by rantanplan on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @07:13PM (#8660581)
It's Greek, not Latin.
Re:God's Lonely Programmer by jkaunisv1 on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @04:47PM (#8659925)
I hadn't heard that term but was delighted when I paused to break it down to its roots. Shit tongues!
Re:God's Lonely Programmer by robin_reala on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @04:08PM (#8659723)
The verbal tics in Tourettes are impossible to hold back when they come, but commenting online is not the same as verbalising. You can choose to post, and you can choose to edit your post.
Re:God's Lonely Programmer by anigbrowl on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @04:41PM (#8659885)
You could say that about any obsessive-compulsive behavior. Why do gambling addicts go into casinos or spend their entire paycheck on lottery tickets? Why do some people repeatedly engage in high-risk sexual behavior or make hundreds of telephone calls in a day? Couldn't they 'choose to' do otherwise, or to stop their problematic activity?

Well, no they can't. If you're in the grip of compulsion you can dislike what you're doing, know it's a terrible idea, be fully aware of the negative consequences, but nonetheless be unable to help yourself, in the same way that it's hard for a passenger in a car to exert much control over a dangerous driver. If volition were such a reliable mechanistic thing then we'd have little need for psychiatric hospitals - psychiatrists could just tell mentally ill people what they were doing wrong and call them cured.

Re:God's Lonely Programmer by ultimape on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @09:31PM (#8660890)
Yeah, my impression from reading Tourettes in the context of Steven Pinker' work is that its not that different from yelling 'fuck' when you stub your toe or something. The expressive mechanism just seems to be on a hairpin trigger or tied to the wrong inputs.

I think in this case, the analogy breaks down. Its more that he doesn't see the problem his racist behavior causes, or doesn't have the mental wherewithal to see that it matters.

Re:God's Lonely Programmer by drcomputer on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @09:48PM (#8660927)
Not defending racism, but how I hypothesize that it happens is as such: People exist in one dynamic where it is accepted and are introduced to another dynamic where it is not tolerated. This leads to a push pull between both dynamics, where the person is constantly questioning which behavior is correct. If the individual thinks about this, and thinks themselves an individual, they may behaviorally react at the constant attempts by others at forcing a definition of behavior or control over the individual.

It's not really fair because neither dynamic has provably defined a correct way of handling social situations/definitions/behavior, because both behaviors often can be traced back to some kind of "reasonable" adaptation or "successful" adaptation which, when not confronted by an equally successful/reasonable force, can become exaggerated,distorted (not necessarily in a bad way).

The problem is some people can explain themselves in a socially acceptable manner, and others can't. People with schizophrenia are some of the least likely to be able to verbalize themselves without the fear perception that it will be taken seriously, equally, diligently - if only from traces of memories of prior experience. People with paranoia have difficulty trusting anything, whether it's the meaning of a word or the person they are talking to. Their minds operate on a different level that is disconnected (not necessarily in a bad way) from people who regularly socially engage with a reasonable level of social connection. If you can't think like a schizophrenic, how can you possibly expect them to be able to communicate themselves in a way that you can empathize with, without them accidentally forcing their own distorted fears onto you?

If you had to question every post you made assuming two worlds exist: one in which the post affects you positively and one in which the post affects you negatively, and you can't tell the difference between either because the possibilities of how reality can manifest are too numerous (or too obvious) to think about, you would constantly be stuck between deleting half your posts and posting things you aren't sure you believe. That's enough to make anyone a little crazy, simply because of the resulting ways that influences your thinking.

Re:God's Lonely Programmer by wolfgke on Wednesday November 26, 2014 @06:09PM (#8665110)
This can only hold under the belief (or axiom) that there is a free will.