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Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by rodgerd on Thursday November 20, 2014 @10:51PM (#8639734)
Here's a though: try remembering you don't speak for "sysadmins", you speak for yourself.
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by nisa on Thursday November 20, 2014 @10:54PM (#8639739)
I think he speaks for sysadmins. If you are using cgroups at the moment you can write scripts for them. It's a mounted filesystem. The change forces you to use systemd for cgroups as only systemd is able to write to cgroups. The argument is: If you don't like systemd implement an alternative that does this for you. Some for kdbus and udev, netlink...

The article is right - it's not Linux as we know it anymore for better or worse.

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by sandGorgon on Thursday November 20, 2014 @11:25PM (#8639806)
That is the change that kernel wants, not systemd.

They want to prevent direct access to Cgroups, other than through a single writer. This change is happening regardless of whether you want systemd or not.

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by nisa on Thursday November 20, 2014 @11:30PM (#8639813)
You are right. I remembered reading an article from 2013 that gave the impression that the changes where related to systemd and then it shed a different light on the issues (https://lwn.net/Articles/555922/) but it looks like the features are mostly back and in a better shape: http://lwn.net/Articles/601840/
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by vidarh on Friday November 21, 2014 @07:27AM (#8640936)
He doesn't speak for sysadmins. I'm a sysadmin, and I love Systemd.

He may speak for some subset of sysadmin, but he certainly does not speak for us all.

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by spb on Friday November 21, 2014 @11:04AM (#8641822)
> The change forces you to use systemd for cgroups as only systemd is able to write to cgroups. The argument is: If you don't like systemd implement an alternative that does this for you.

And from the looks of it, this has been done: https://cgmanager.linuxcontainers.org/ as reported at http://lwn.net/Articles/618411/

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by 0x006A on Friday November 21, 2014 @04:57AM (#8640568)
at best he might speak for some sysadmins. His position does not reflect that of all sysadmins so its wrong to pretend it is.