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Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by ploxiln on Thursday November 20, 2014 @10:48PM (#8639726)
If there were a couple of competing alternatives to manage your cgroups, sysadmins might not be so peeved. We're used to installing an alternative syslog daemon or cron daemon rather easily. But it's systemd or the highway, in the 3 or 4 most popular distros.

About udev, Linus has had multiple serious complaints about udev maintainership since GregKH passed it to Kay. Don't you recall the async firmware loading issue...

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by rodgerd on Thursday November 20, 2014 @10:51PM (#8639734)
Here's a though: try remembering you don't speak for "sysadmins", you speak for yourself.
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by nisa on Thursday November 20, 2014 @10:54PM (#8639739)
I think he speaks for sysadmins. If you are using cgroups at the moment you can write scripts for them. It's a mounted filesystem. The change forces you to use systemd for cgroups as only systemd is able to write to cgroups. The argument is: If you don't like systemd implement an alternative that does this for you. Some for kdbus and udev, netlink...

The article is right - it's not Linux as we know it anymore for better or worse.

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by sandGorgon on Thursday November 20, 2014 @11:25PM (#8639806)
That is the change that kernel wants, not systemd.

They want to prevent direct access to Cgroups, other than through a single writer. This change is happening regardless of whether you want systemd or not.

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by nisa on Thursday November 20, 2014 @11:30PM (#8639813)
You are right. I remembered reading an article from 2013 that gave the impression that the changes where related to systemd and then it shed a different light on the issues (https://lwn.net/Articles/555922/) but it looks like the features are mostly back and in a better shape: http://lwn.net/Articles/601840/
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by vidarh on Friday November 21, 2014 @07:27AM (#8640936)
He doesn't speak for sysadmins. I'm a sysadmin, and I love Systemd.

He may speak for some subset of sysadmin, but he certainly does not speak for us all.

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by spb on Friday November 21, 2014 @11:04AM (#8641822)
> The change forces you to use systemd for cgroups as only systemd is able to write to cgroups. The argument is: If you don't like systemd implement an alternative that does this for you.

And from the looks of it, this has been done: https://cgmanager.linuxcontainers.org/ as reported at http://lwn.net/Articles/618411/

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by 0x006A on Friday November 21, 2014 @04:57AM (#8640568)
at best he might speak for some sysadmins. His position does not reflect that of all sysadmins so its wrong to pretend it is.