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Re:Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason by gdulli on Thursday November 20, 2014 @09:56AM (#8635978)
The problem is that software companies acquire the amount of labor (which is large) that they need to create something but then don't have anything to do with that extra labor when it's finished and all that's needed is maintenance and a reasonable amount of additional upgrade work.

So if the company is profitable enough that it doesn't need to lay anyone off, it has the excess labor keep iterating on a product that's already very good and only needs a small amount of labor to keep it ideal. This makes the product worse.

Once you see this you can't un-see it.

(Also there's the more cyncial explanation that by changing things dramatically you get people to think they need to keep spending money.)

Re:Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason by narag on Thursday November 20, 2014 @10:43AM (#8636232)
That sounds right.

In this case I would like them to put this people to work on my pet annoyances: screen turning on while on my pocket and natively recording my conversations.

Screen shouldn't turn on under any circumstance, unless I press the physical button. There's no way to configure this and there are many cases of this behaviour: incoming call, low battery...

There is no way to properly record every conversation. There are apps, but they don't really work. Some of them with "good critics" demand to host the audio in their servers. Are people crazy?

I've recently bought one android phone for my mother. Her experience has been sad and painful (in her words). Now it seems her next phone will need just another painful period.

It's not just geeks, UI is difficult and changing it is no good.

Re:Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason by shanemhansen on Thursday November 20, 2014 @11:34AM (#8636539)
For better or worse, Tech. companies make software. Every member of the organization from product to design to engineering probably has some passion for innovating. If they didn't want to innovate they probably wouldn't be working on something like android.

Sadly these engines of innovation create sup-optimal products if the product is already at a local maximum for current constraints. They then just endlessly circle the local maximum in a repeating pattern (this is called fashion).

Luckily for these companies, power users and media also like change for change's sake. Helping them hype each new iteration of the product, driving sales, and giving validation (and job security) to the product/design/engineering organization.

Re:Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason by kaizendc on Thursday November 20, 2014 @10:40AM (#8636208)
Exactly, it's mostly busywork.
Re:Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason by Someone1234 on Thursday November 20, 2014 @11:07AM (#8636363)
I'd maybe agree regarding the UI/animation. But L has brought some significant improvements (ART, Project Volta, background batching API, et al). So it is a good release inspite of the UI/animation updates.

Google Maps and Windows Search are two products that have been over-worked to death. Both were better in older iterations (Windows Search pre-Vista, Google Maps before they went all minimalism-stupid).

Google Maps in particular stripped out tons of useful functionality for a long period (My Places seems to appear and disappear every second release, location search history is currently MIA, compass is gone, et al).

Windows Search just tried to make it "clever" but instead made it "unreliable." They wanted to add support for everyone file format one by one (and ignore everything else) but instead managed to only support native Microsoft formats well and nothing else at all. File Search in Windows (Vista-8.1) is horrendously poor. Give me Windows 95 search.

Re:Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason by 9point6 on Thursday November 20, 2014 @11:43AM (#8636604)
I would say Windows search pre-Vista was unusable in general due to the poor/non-existent indexing and poor support of non-ASCII formats or anything beyond basic file metadata. Microsoft's solution to the not being able to support every file-type under the sun was to allow plugins to provide new types, which work quite well IMO.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFilter

Re:Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason by Someone1234 on Thursday November 20, 2014 @12:03PM (#8636727)
I don't say this often but: Everything you just said is factually wrong.

- Windows had an indexer long before Vista (many many years)[0].

- Windows Search supports (and supported) UTF-8 and UTF-16 strings, as well as unicode if you had the correct language pack installed.

- Windows supported file content searches in Windows 95 (up through Vista).

- Microsoft could have allowed plugins to enrich search results WITHOUT gutting raw text searching (see Windows XP for a compromise, before they removed the work-around in Vista).

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indexing_Service

Re:Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason by frandroid on Thursday November 20, 2014 @10:57AM (#8636313)
yeah, because it doesn't have a gazillion other projects it could put these programmers to work on. Get real...
Re:Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason by gdulli on Thursday November 20, 2014 @11:26AM (#8636492)
It's not that simple in the real world, there's politics involved. The people who own a successful product aren't going to give up half their team. The success of it gives them an excuse to keep them all and keep growing the team. Which is counter-productive and hurts the product and the company, but helps certain individuals in the short term.