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Re:Ian Jackson Resigns from Debian Technical Committee by 1_player on Wednesday November 19, 2014 @11:04AM (#8630739)
The systemd is a make dependency only. Unless you plan on compiling it yourself, you don't need systemd to run it.

    ~ $ y -Qi libutil-linux | grep Depends
    Depends On     : None
EDIT: conversely, these are the packages depending on systemd:

    ~ $ y -Qi systemd | grep Required | fmt
    Required By    : accountsservice  chromium  colord  crda  cups
    device-mapper  gnome-session  lib32-systemd  libgdm  libgusb  libpulse
    libusb  libvirt  libwacom  lvm2  media-player-info  mesa  mkinitcpio
    netctl  polkit  procps-ng  qt5-base  qtwebkit  rtkit  spotify  subversion
    systemd-sysvcompat  udisks2  upower  xf86-input-evdev  xf86-video-ati
    xf86-video-modesetting
As a sysadmin and developer I don't understand this systemd-hate. If you ever have written a /etc/init.d script for a python non-daemoning script running in a virtualenv, or something to the same effect, you'd notice the improvement over SysV init scripts.

Upstart is nice too, but as a Linux desktop user I love socket activation: I can have cups, avahi and other optional/non-critical daemons "active" but not actually using any resource, until effectively used by some other process.

Re:Ian Jackson Resigns from Debian Technical Committee by exarch on Wednesday November 19, 2014 @12:08PM (#8631173)
>If you ever have written a /etc/init.d script for a python non-daemoning script running in a virtualenv, or something to the same effect, you'd notice the improvement over SysV init scripts.

These are solved problems. You're creating a bunch of low level OS spaghetti because you don't want to have to write a shell script for your software? That is not a responsible decision-making process, that's moving the mountain to you.

Re:Ian Jackson Resigns from Debian Technical Committee by digi_owl on Wednesday November 19, 2014 @12:33PM (#8631348)
And making it harder for someone to come afterwards and untangle the mess.

I swear a earlier discussion here on this very site had someone honestly suggest the usage of strace to figure out why systemd failed to boot.

Re:Ian Jackson Resigns from Debian Technical Committee by the_why_of_y on Wednesday November 19, 2014 @03:26PM (#8632397)
Countless subtle race conditions and security issues in the shell spaghetti that makes up real-world init scripts indicate that it's not a "solved problem".