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Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by zabuni on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @06:49PM (#8599084)
Rather. Hackers political values, as stated in the jargon file, have politics:

"Formerly vaguely liberal-moderate, more recently moderate-to-neoconservative (hackers too were affected by the collapse of socialism). There is a strong libertarian contingent which rejects conventional left-right politics entirely. The only safe generalization is that hackers tend to be rather anti-authoritarian; thus, both paleoconservatism and ‘hard’ leftism are rare. Hackers are far more likely than most non-hackers to either (a) be aggressively apolitical or (b) entertain peculiar or idiosyncratic political ideas and actually try to live by them day-to-day."

Mapping this to any political ideology would be difficult.

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by aaronbrethorst on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:19PM (#8599205)
esr's definition of hackers' political values, curiously, always seem to match esr's current political values.
Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by djloche on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @06:52PM (#8599095)
The people commenting and submitting articles here have a wide range of personal social/political/economic philosophies.

If you want to destroy HN as it exists today, turn it into a political vehicle.

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by gohrt on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @06:49PM (#8599083)
A Political Party is full of likeminded people. (Or it loses elections; see: Democrats)

HN is not a HiveMind.

https://mayday.us/

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by comrh on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:40PM (#8599311)
I think almost every group is a hivemind. And HN certainly shares characteristics of groupthink.
Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @08:36PM (#8599482)
I don't think that almost every group is a hivemind. I don't think HN shares many characteristics of groupthink.

Even if I'm wrong, that still means I'm not part of the same hivemind/groupthink as you are. And yet here we both are, on HN.

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by comrh on Friday November 14, 2014 @03:10PM (#8609223)
Threads about minorities or women are full of examples. And thinking you aren't part of groupthink is classic groupthink anyway so that doesn't prove anything. Just look at your response, classic HN: dismissive and flippant.
Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by vectorpush on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:11PM (#8599175)
> We could be to the left what the tea party is to the right.

Extreme and uncompromising to the point of absurdity? Actually, that does sound like the HN community!

More seriously though, even if there were enough cohesion among HN thinkers to build up anything resembling a worthwhile political entity, at least in the USA, it would be a powerless symbolic party, fit only for mockery by late night television comedians. The USA's current political system is completely intractable to the point where the current two parties are the only option; the only viable path is to move the two parties in our direction, alternatives are assuredly doomed to failure.

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by phoboslab on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:08PM (#8599163)
We have the Piratenpartei in Germany, full of nerds and people who take a strong stance for privacy, net neutrality and many other things tech related. They get laughed at and ridiculed (often for good reason) and are considered "unelectable" by many, even in the tech field.

BUT they force other parties to think more about these issues and take position themselfs. I think the Piratenpartei is extremely beneficial for the political landscape here.

I have often wondered why the US seemed so slow to adopt these ideas. From my limited understanding, a good deal of the problem is probably the 2 party system in the US, but that doesn't mean a "HN party" couldn't apply a lot of pressure to democrats and republicans alike.

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by gizmo686 on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @06:49PM (#8599080)
What would be the benefit of being a political party? If we want HN to become a political power (and I am not saying we do), then it seems like a more productive approach is to become a lobby like the EFF/ACLU/NRA/etc.

Becoming a political party means that we would need to have a stance on every issue. Being a lobby means we can focus on the issues that we know about and care about.

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by rickdale on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @06:59PM (#8599123)
If we want HN to become a political power (and I am not saying we do), then it seems like a more productive approach is to become a lobby like the EFF/ACLU/NRA/etc.

Isn't that the reason? We may need a lobby too.

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by pXMzR2A on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @06:48PM (#8599076)
Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by mikeash on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:02PM (#8599136)
Why would any sane person want to be to the left what the Tea Party is to the right?
Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by xaver on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:21PM (#8599218)
Make things. Don't engage in primate coalition building, that never helps. Having descended from a long line of hominids you should be more suspicious of your brain when it comes up with ideas that it can rationalize as "making the world better" and just coincidentally happens to correspond to "seeking power and status."
Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by mkempe on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:01PM (#8599132)
Do you realize that it was Democrats, the "left" in US politics, who were opposed to MLK's message of equality and freedom for all? that the battle for Civil Rights was won thanks to Republicans, against Democrats? that it was Democrats who were the anti-abolitionist party?
Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by ceejayoz on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:15PM (#8599188)
> the battle for Civil Rights was won thanks to Republicans

It was more a North-South divide than a party divide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#By_par...

(Signed into law by a Democrat, incidentally)

> that it was Democrats who were the anti-abolitionist party?

And France had a Napoleon (III) at the helm, but that hardly means a thing today.

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:40PM (#8599307)
> Do you realize that it was Democrats, the "left" in US politics, who were opposed to MLK's message of equality and freedom for all? that the battle for Civil Rights was won thanks to Republicans, against Democrats?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

In the House:

- Southern Democrats voted 94% against it -- but Southern Republicans voted 100% against it.

- Northern Democrats voted 94% for it -- but Northern Republicans voted only 85% for it.

In the Senate:

- Southern Democrats voted 95% against it -- but Southern Republicans voted 100% against it.

- Northern Democrats voted 98% for it -- but Northern Republicans voted only 84% for it.

So, the strongest split wasn't party, but region -- the South was against it and the North was for it. But by party within either region, North or South, the Democrats were more for (or less against) it, while the Republicans were less for (or more against) it.

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by eksith on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:14PM (#8599187)
The Democratic part before the civil right era was vastly different. After the passage of the Civil Rights bill in 1964, the political climate of the party changed drastically, especially in the south[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_South

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by vezzy-fnord on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:06PM (#8599157)
Don't know why you're being downvoted. You're absolutely correct. The Democratic and Republican parties had polar opposite platforms from their present ones until the Southern Strategy beginning in the late 1960s.
Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:34PM (#8599276)
Its actually a lot more complicated than that. Prior to the Southern Strategy by Republicans exploiting this fact (and, really, for several decades after), the Democratic Party -- especially post-New Deal -- was a weird coalition between left leaning groups and southern conservatives (a result of the fact that the national parties were largely coalitions of state parties, and stretching back to the Civil War the Republican Party was the establishment party of the North and the Democratic Party the establishment party of the South, which sort of resulted in the opposite party often being the anti-establishment party in other regions if it existed at all -- and its worth noting that lots of states were effectively one-party states even moreso than is the case anywhere today.)

OTOH, the Southern Strategy was a direct result of Republicans realizing that Democrats were vulnerable in the South because the Democratic Party as a whole was no longer voting in line with Southern conservatives.

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by stfu on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:20PM (#8599213)
If there were HN "elections", my guess would be it came somewhat close to 40% Democrats, 30% Libertarians, 20% Republican, 10% Greens. I would say Democrats would have a tough struggle to win a majority.
Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by aaronbrethorst on Thursday November 13, 2014 @01:46AM (#8600255)
Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by bduerst on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @06:54PM (#8599103)
HN readerbase is definitely a faction, but I haven't seen it produce anything outside of good discussion and interesting thought.

I don't think it has enough wherewithal to bootstrap something like a new political party.

Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by regroup on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @06:54PM (#8599102)
The question is, are we prepared to be on the receiving end of suicide letters and terrorist charges that will inevitably come when it's clear we stand a chance of making a difference?
Re:What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals by thisonesalozer on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:00PM (#8599129)
it doesn't matter what political party you create. vote buying is rampant and it goes to the highest bidder.