Re:Music that upsets expectations is what makes your gray ma...
by carapace on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:07PM
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An early cybernetic device interacted with musicians as part of a live ensemble. The machine detected novelty in the sounds it was hearing and would grow "bored" if the musicians' improvisations did not keep up. People who played with it interesting experiences. (I can dig up a reference to this if anyone's interested..)
"Gordon Pask developed musical cybernetic systems that count as early
cyborg hybrids. His 1953 Musicolour machine accompanied musical
performers. As the performer or group played, Musicolour responded with
lights and movement to the music would change, creating a sort of
hypnotic effect for those who played with it. But if the performer
became too repetitive and did not engage the machine enough, Musicolour
would grow bored and stop responding—the first cybernetic art system to
do so. [4] Pask also noted that while people trained the machine, it
trained them back, creating a feedback loop in which performers felt
like the machine was an extension of their minds and bodies.[5]"
[4] Gordon Pask, “A Comment, a Case History and a Plan,” in Cybernetics, Art, and Ideas, ed. Jasia Reichardt (Greenwich, Conn.,: New York Graphic Society, 1971), 77.
Re:Music that upsets expectations is what makes your gray ma...
by carapace on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @07:50PM
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For those who asked, yes it was Pask. Cheers biot. I first heard about it in the book "The Cybernetic Brain: Sketches of Another Future" by Andrew Pickering, which contains other eye-opening gems.
Re:Music that upsets expectations is what makes your gray ma...
by the_cat_kittles on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:37PM
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absolutely curious- ive thought about trying to build some kind of models that help create interesting "melodies" by jumbling things around for maximum novelty. maybe someone knows of some experiements like that too?
Re:Music that upsets expectations is what makes your gray ma...
by mazelife on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:42PM
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Good article and actually having audio to illustrate the things the author talks about is helpful. For people interested in diving into this concept more deeply, there's a whole theoretical/analytical approach around musical expectation that was developed back in the 90s by Eugene Narmour: The Implication-Realization model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implication-Realization). Interestingly enough, it looks like the predictive power of the model holds up pretty well when tested in the real world: http://www.erin.utoronto.ca/~w3psygs/SchellenbergCognition.p...
I've been out of the music theory game for a while, so I don't know if anyone's doing much with the I-R model anymore, but it's a fascinating approach to music analysis.
Re:Music that upsets expectations is what makes your gray ma...
by gre on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @10:40PM
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One of my favorite jazz pieces is Happy Madness off a Jobim compilation album. The whole piece tries to get you to hear a specific note, and then tricks you with a different one.
Well, that notation-jargon is still not real theory, and this stuff from the nautil.us link here is. This is the stuff to understand if you want to understand music.
Re:Music that upsets expectations is what makes your gray ma...
by radicalzebra on Wednesday November 12, 2014 @07:38PM
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Cool post! I think as technologists seeking to build tools for music creation, browsing, etc. there are some high level points to take from Professor Berger's article. As we deploy machine learning to match listeners and songs, we're often blindly satisfying expectations, when the entire essence of musical experience seems wrapped up in upsetting expectations.
Re:Music that upsets expectations is what makes your gray ma...
by NickKitchen on Thursday November 13, 2014 @03:30AM
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This is a cool post, it's interesting how our brains react to unexpected changes in the music. It's almost as though we receive a rush of endorphins when our brains guess the upcoming melody and are proven right, which makes us slightly off put when it is different
Re:Music that upsets expectations is what makes your gray ma...
by b0ner_t0ner on Thursday November 13, 2014 @08:41AM
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Article crashed my Firefox on mobile, was wondering why...
Then I did a network trace on desktop and see that the header PNG image is 1 megabyte. The whole page with all those SoundCloud iframes are a whopping 9 megabytes. Ugh.
[5] Ibid., 85.
Has anyone played with http://brainpaint.com/ ? Generates fractals from brainwaves for "therapy".
I've been out of the music theory game for a while, so I don't know if anyone's doing much with the I-R model anymore, but it's a fascinating approach to music analysis.
Too right, too right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIphJGkY3Rw
Well, that notation-jargon is still not real theory, and this stuff from the nautil.us link here is. This is the stuff to understand if you want to understand music.
Then I did a network trace on desktop and see that the header PNG image is 1 megabyte. The whole page with all those SoundCloud iframes are a whopping 9 megabytes. Ugh.