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Re:Amazon Echo by hackuser on Thursday November 06, 2014 @01:43PM (#8568841)
> idiots > paranoid

I don't see much difference between calling someone an "idiot", and calling them "paranoid" and dismissing their concerns to an FAQ.

> Our time is probably better spent discussing the value of the product itself.

Confidentiality has a large impact on the product's value, at least for many people. I don't see them as independent issues. If you feel, like many, that confidentiality is necessary to its value then the focus of the discussion makes sense (if it wasn't so redundant).

Re:Amazon Echo by melling on Thursday November 06, 2014 @01:54PM (#8568910)
I didn't call anyone an idiot. I said the general HN population is treated like idiots because there's always "that guy" who feels the need to sound the alarm every time something gets sent to Google/Apple/Amazon. I got it the first 10 times it was discussed. I've been warned.
Re:Amazon Echo by hackuser on Thursday November 06, 2014 @01:58PM (#8568936)
> I didn't call anyone an idiot.

I know; sorry I didn't write more clearly. I meant that them calling you "idiot" and you calling them "paranoid" is roughly equivalent.

Re:Amazon Echo by melling on Thursday November 06, 2014 @02:17PM (#8569072)
I said "our paranoia". I wasn't trying to dismiss it but these types of conversations tend to devolve into mainly discussing our paranoia. I don't need to be warned every week. And it's my choice to decide to allow Google or Apple, for example, to get my data.
Re:Amazon Echo by hackuser on Thursday November 06, 2014 @03:44PM (#8569633)
> I said "our paranoia".

Hmmm ... that's not what I see above.

Generally I can understand frustration with any issue getting too much attention and drowning out others.

> it's my choice to decide to allow Google or Apple, for example, to get my data.

It's not your choice really. It's hard to function in this society otherwise, and I don't just mean having phone service or traveling. For example, my electricity vendor insisted on installing a 'smart meter', which allows them to record what and when electrical devices are used, giving them a good view of my activities in the privacy of my home. My choice was to let them install it, get my own generator, or go without electricity.