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Re:Sprout by pa5tabear on Wednesday October 29, 2014 @11:18AM (#8527613)
Engadget summary with videos: http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/29/hp-reveals-sprout/

"It's a unique machine that combines an all-in-one Windows 8 PC with a set of 3D scanning cameras, a giant tactile touchpad and a downward-facing projector (for displaying graphics on said touchpad). The design is built around a concept HP is calling "blended reality" that blends the 3D physical world with our 2D digital one. The obvious target audience is creative types. You know: makers, tinkerers, designers, etc... Rather than the traditional method of control built around mice and keyboards, Sprout focuses on touch and pen input. The 23-inch LCD serves as the primary display, but it's the bottom display, the 20-inch capacitive pad positioned under the camera and projector that serves as the primary point of interaction."

Re:Sprout by Schwolop on Wednesday October 29, 2014 @06:48PM (#8530438)
The applications will make or break this.

In my opinion, the killer app is digitisation of paper documents, tracking changes, and live multi-user editing. The 3d scanning stuff is a neat addition on top of that, but a much more niche use case.

e.g. My colleague writes a document and emails it to me. I open it, print it out, and bring it to Sprout, placing it on the capacitive mat. As I'm reading it, I'm annotating it with pen on paper. Sprout tracks my annotations, digitizes them, and adds them as a digital layer to the original document.

While I'm annotating, my colleague joins the "session" and wants to make more changes and incorporate some of my suggestions. I see that notification, chuck away my piece of paper, and have Sprout project the digital document onto the capacitive pad. While I watch, my colleague makes changes which are live-updated to my document. I see her copy my hand-written notes which have been digitised and OCR'd. She takes my notes, changes the font, and sticks them into one of the paragraphs. Likewise, I can use the stylus to make more annotations that my colleague sees in real-time, or, since the document is digital this time around, I can just edit the paragraphs directly too.

Think Google Wave + Collusion for iPad + the ability to do fairly seamlessly with both digital and physical documents.

Re:Sprout by aaron695 on Wednesday October 29, 2014 @09:54PM (#8530951)
From what I can see, what you talk about here is more the wishy washy magic the PR companies use to fool the masses.

How does Sprout do great OCR or facilitate joint collaborations?

These are both problems that need solving but have nothing to do with Sprout. PR often has things like this ‘solved’ for their mockups which people then falsely associate with the product.

See the mass delusion many people have with the Minority Report interface.

Why not just edit the email/document using a keyboard, you can even do it in a google doc so the other person can live collaborate, but as we know live collaboration is fine in movies but in real life is very very hard to do. Humans are just not build for it.

This isn’t about applications or Sprout, it’s about solving very hard problems.

Re:Sprout by Schwolop on Wednesday October 29, 2014 @11:08PM (#8531133)
But that's exactly my point - Sprout doesn't do this, but it provides a form factor with all the sensors and actuators necessary to do so. An application could then provide this functionality and support these use-cases.

Yes, it'd be a very complex application, solving some fairly hard CS and CV problems, along with probably needing to invent a whole suite of new UI paradigms.

Re:Sprout by aaron695 on Thursday October 30, 2014 @09:40PM (#8536884)
I guess what I was saying, invent OCR that good you’ll sell it to someone like IBM for a billion dollars.

Actually find a workflow that allows live collaboration to be more efficient than working individually might be hard to capitalise but would be revolutionary and change the world. I’ve never seen Pair programming in XP really work, for instance. It’s certainly not common practice for most workers.

Each solution would be amazing for plant earth, Sprout doesn’t help solve either.

Re:Sprout by coldtea on Thursday October 30, 2014 @02:21AM (#8531672)
So, a pipe dream.
Re:Sprout by rtpg on Thursday October 30, 2014 @04:40AM (#8531933)
>Why not just edit the email/document using a keyboard, you can even do it in a google doc so the other person can live collaborate, but as we know live collaboration is fine in movies but in real life is very very hard to do. Humans are just not build for it.

Because some people prefer a pen to a keyboard when trying to mark modifications to a draft?

Surely you can imagine of at least one situation where a pen is a useful input device.

Re:Sprout by lmm on Thursday October 30, 2014 @10:54AM (#8533252)
Honestly it's very difficult to imagine a case where pen is better. I can type faster than I can write, and everyone can read my typing much more easily than my writing. Etherpad (sadly killed by google) had a great annotation UI. Maybe for serious mathematics with formulae, or something where you want to annotate 2D diagrams (architecture?), but that seems pretty niche.
Re:Sprout by aaron695 on Thursday October 30, 2014 @09:40PM (#8536878)
I can, not saying you can’t, but technology using a pen interfacing with a computer is decades ok and mature but is still not commonly used hence I don’t think it’s a useful tool in general.
Re:Sprout by Shivetya on Thursday October 30, 2014 @11:54AM (#8533682)
I did the the idea they displayed with making what appeared to be an ad or such but I think the work area is too small. I can see all sorts of fun for kids in arranging toys on different backgrounds to produce interesting pictures, provided there is some ease of sharing their work. Same with adults who want to do quick mock ups, something this would open up that world a lot more than any paint or image program ever did, most are still too arcane for the majority of users. This is like taking grade school collage work and suddenly making it a valid development tool
Re:Sprout by zan2434 on Wednesday October 29, 2014 @09:01PM (#8530823)
I don't see the point of printing it in the middle, otherwise that is indeed a great potential use case
Re:Sprout by Schwolop on Wednesday October 29, 2014 @09:37PM (#8530919)
Yes, you're right - that is unnecessary. I only really wrote it like that to make it clear that you could digitize documents that didn't start out as a digital file.
Re:Sprout by rsync on Wednesday October 29, 2014 @11:43AM (#8527761)
Oh, I thought the lower screen was an e ink display, sort of like simulating a sheet of paper there.

I don't like the lower screen with a projector - then the image is obscured by the shadow your hands make...

Re:Sprout by columbo on Wednesday October 29, 2014 @12:38PM (#8528146)
I think it's an interesting approach. There are some things you can do with a projector that you couldn't do with another screen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9JXtTj0mzE)

I could see some applications taking advantage of this when it comes to working with physical items

Re:Sprout by waffl on Wednesday October 29, 2014 @12:45PM (#8528206)
I was also quite confused about why they would choose a projector over a second screen, actually it was the most nagging question until, watching the intro video, someone projects a graphic onto a physical sheet of paper, so I suppose the immediate interaction between projection and physical objects is the main reasoning behind it.

In a two screen scenario, I suppose the user would have to image the paper, then composite it digitally. It's an interesting approach although I wonder how often it would be used.

Re:Sprout by lost_name on Wednesday October 29, 2014 @12:01PM (#8527867)
Presumably, if you're reaching across the pad, you're looking at the monitor, and if you're touching something on the pad then you probably can't see through your arms/hands anyway.

That being said, I think a second screen would be preferable all the same, but it would probably bump the cost significantly.

Re:Sprout by seanp2k2 on Wednesday October 29, 2014 @12:07PM (#8527917)
Screens are [comparatively] cheap, esp. Vs a custom projector + touchpad + 3d camera set-up. I don't think they went this route to save on production costs.
Re:Sprout by hiou on Wednesday October 29, 2014 @01:59PM (#8528755)
When you have a physical 3-dimensional object you can use the projector cast images on it. I wonder if it is used for calibrating and lining up objects for the 3D camera as well.